? Fake parts m1 carbine

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Anectine,

First welcome to the carbine forum.

You are not offending anyone. Most of us feel that the sellers of questionable parts are the offenders.

You mention your cousin. Forty five years of collecting carries a lot of knowledge. If I were you I'd draw on that as much as possible. Having twenty of your own I'm sure has given you some insight.

The guys on this forum are also very knowledgeable. Questions are presented all the time, and answered. We have a search feature that lets you review past posts on different subjects. I'm sorry you received your answer after instead of before your purchase.

We look forward to your participation.

Jim

I don't want to offend any one because I am a newbie to this forum but I am not knowledgeable on abbreviations
Could you tell me what OP and FWIW stand for

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[ANECTINE]

Thanks Inland for your input . As stated in my post my conscious would keep me honoring what I bought . I have no intentions of not paying the full amount of not only that item but the other two that I bought . My rating on Gunbroker is of second nature although I have bought other things from other people that now seem to have a checkered past due to Mr Painter comment . . I have spoken a few times to Sam-t-Bob [Sam Ransum] and he always seemed to be up front about the rifles I bought saying they were project guns that he had restored to their original configuration as best as he could . He never once told me they were "original" ww2 carbines .I guess he is another person that has gotten a bad reputation from this forum because I guess he restores with fake parts obtained from abcleigh or L and S Supply or any other of the plethora of merchants that deal in reproduction parts. The only thing that I was p--s about is that it was advertised as an IP flip sight with rp/rp. It was no such thing .It was a reproduction part that had lettering rp on the side and base . It had nothing to do with original Irwin Pedersen. Therefore it had everything to do with fraud in it's presentation . But no less I had no intention of not paying due to my ignorance.I just wanted to have input from people on this site as to who might be the most offensive of the replica dealers.I have over 20 M1 Carbines now that I have collected over the past 15 years . All are in their ww2 configuration . I obtained most from my cousin who has been collecting for the past 45 years . He has advised me to be careful but occasionally I have strayed from his reservation and bought guns on my own [such as Sam t Bob] and been burned but my cousin always told me that 98% or more of these rifles have in some way been reassembled by troops,restored by collectors or rebuilt by the armories. He has over 100 carbines of which he says that the only a couple were what he considered bring backs that have never been touched by collectors, shysters , restorers or any other individuals. The only thing that he said is if you want to put part on the rifle always try to get an original one . He does not get on forums but usually only deals with friends that collect also and goes to Gunshows so he knew nothing of abcleigh. But he did know of the reputation of RiverbankArmory in California .I collect these old Rifles for my own personal reasons and have no intention of ever selling them for profit or investment . I enjoy seeing them "restored " to their original configuration just as I enjoy seeing an old antique car restored to it's original state however I do not like being deceived about fake parts that presented as original manufactures . Again I will state it was my ignorance and I have full intentions of paying !!!!! Gunbroker rating or not .All I really would like to know at this point who are the merchants that have a reputation as selling these counterfeit parts or better yet who are some individuals who are know for their honesty and sell quality parts so individuals can avoid this in the future.

Sorry about the length but i felt that some of my comments were misconceived
Thank You again
Chuck Lobrano

[Patrick Chadwick]

aS A NOVICE ...

seems to be contradicted by

I have over 20 M1 Carbines now that I have collected over the past 15 years .

And the close-up photos were clear enough. Having seen the auction presentation, I am inclined to agree with Inland44 - you are rather stuck with this one.

[deldriver]

OP= Original poster (in most cases) FWIW= For what it's worth (in most cases). Don't feel bad, I have to look up stuff from time to time.

[painter777]

OP; Opening Poster
FWIW; For what it's worth.

It was not my intention to offend you. I wanted to give you a heads up about the S-T-B restorations and reproduction stock stampings.

Don't blame you for being upset about the misrepresented part. It is a out right fake/repro.
Your not alone, many have been taken by George.

Many buy from Riverbank, M1 carbineparts, ABC leigh... etc knowing they are buying repro and listing on other auction sites, for profit, stiffing other buyers.
Here's an example:
Authentic Type 1A??

It would be a shorter list of 'Who to buy from'.
You've dealt with the GB seller 81mm aka Eddy Yuja, none better in my opinion.
Mr. Bill Ricca is also a stand up guy.

Just My Opinion......
Sammy and his partners were also good sellers at one time, but over the last few years have followed the wrong path.

Welcome to the forum Charles, we'd enjoy you sharing your finds with us in the future.
Stay tuned, we try very hard to draw attention to fake parts and sellers of the same. Prices are too high to take these $$ beatings.
Sellers like George count on the fact that buyers with character will follow thru with their sale. When you leave his deserved Feedback, he'll come back with some ruthless tyrade that will make zero sense.

VR,
Charlie-painter777

[ANECTINE]

No offense taken Mr Painter and I appreciate the people on this forum that are trying to help. I must admit
that Inland post was a little heavy handed considering that the item I bought was listed as IP sight . I believe iP sight means IP sight
whether in the heading or description That is what I was bidding on and that is what I expected .The sight that I ended up winning in no way was an Irwin Pedersen as was given in the heading. If you become incensed when someone questions you after the purchase of a falsely presented item then in my humble opinion you are hiding something. No one becomes incensed if they are legitimate and their items that they are selling are legitimate .
But enough said at this point for I have learned as Mr Ricca said to read and be very wary . I will also utilize the expertise of the
forum members and my cousin before I venture off the reservation again.
Again Thank you Chuck lobrano

[ANECTINE]

I want to add this . Believe me if there is another gun that has been boosted in the past it is the Luger . I have bought fake parts and really questionable pistol much to my dismay. It has taken me a considerable time to realize that I should not ever buy on my own and I usually do use the expertise of individual [esp my cousin] when it come to purchases . The truth of the matter it that I have made some really bad ones but I have learned from them . that is the reason that I looked for an m1 forum like the luger forums that I have been a member for years. Those forums have been extremely helpful
Chuck Lobrano

[ANECTINE]

Sorry Mr Chadwick but since I may have taken it the wrong way I apologize . I appreciate all of the opinions and help and if I offended
any one I am sorry .Seems like many people have been taken advantage of especially by abcleigh ect and this is a sensitive subject I will catch enough grief from my cousin for not asking him first. I will have to sign off for a few days because I live in Long Beach Mississippi about 50 mile east of New Orleans and we are expecting to lose power in a little while secondary to Hurricane Isaac . Winds are just starting to pick up
Thanks for the help
Chuck Lobrano

[USGI]

Chuck,

OP is original post, or original poster. FWIW is "for what it's worth." If you do some research on this site, you should be able to find some links for legitimate carbine parts suppliers. I've even got suspect stuff from recommended sites, though. A good way to tell is to study pictures of known original parts and then do your own comparisons with the ones you see offered for sale. I spend a lot of time at gun shows looking at carbines and parts to practice honing up on my skills. Please stick around, and good luck finding the sight that you need. I've got one on an S'G' that's marked B-IP. That's one that would work for you too. - Bob

[ANECTINE]

Thanks Bob I enjoy the carbines and have purchased mostly from my cousin who has been obtaining them for many years .He is now 75 years old and has offered me some of his duplicates because he has decided to let some of his collections go due to his health and age . The particular rifle that I picked up was an old arsenal rework that had been in storage from another "collector "BOb Sinclair in The Baton Rouge LA area . He is one of my cousins old friends. Long story my cousin has known about these carbines for years and the man had obtained them in the late sixties. My cousin said that back then all of those collectors never tried to turn those guns to ww2 configs because they did not believe in changing them and believe that in their original state was the best Any how Bob is about in his mid 70ties and decided to let my cousin have the 10 of his 20 carbines .My cousin is a formal appraiser and made an offer to him. It included an Irwin Pedersen rebuild and my cousin offered it to me since he had two. I first saw the rifle wrapped in an oil cloth and packed in a very old leather case. It had been in storage for a long time. i was not interested in an old arsenal rebuild but my Cousin said it was a very good Korean war example and Bob was a very old collector[even was the President of the Carbine Society]So I purchased it for 1800 which my cousin said was very fair. Since all my other carbine are 1st model config I really wanted to put the sight on that was of that time frame . My cousin did not agree but
he said he would change it if I would find a correct original sight . if you are willing to part with your original sight I would certainly be interested . If you send me an message back and maybe your telephone number I can contact you. I probably will be losing power in the next couple of hours due to hurricane Isaac because i live on the gulf coast of Mississippi 50 miles east of new Orleans . Again look forward to hearing back
Chuck Lobrano