New IBM with IO bolt

[Bruce McAskill]

Your barrel dates goes well with your serial number range which would be about November 1943. All of the Inland bolts were sent in July 1943 and used up by the end of August so I do not think your bolt is original. The trigger,sear and recoil plate very well could be correct. I take it that it has a type 1 rear sight and barrel band with a type 2 stock?

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[Curt]

I'll get some pics up, and so it continues

[Curt]

Now with Pics, has Brown Patina on exposed barrel and slide like it was handled somewhere tropical with sweaty hands often, the M.W. is just 1, and the stock condition and finish wear is consistent with that. I need to get a better place and light to shoot pics in it is not as red or rusty as it appears in pics. My opinion is that it's bring back or original grade.


IBM Carbine pictures by wfo87 - Photobucket

[Newscotlander]

Curt, Your carbine appears to be in original, as manufactured condition. While there are quite a few parts that are not IBM, there is documentation indicating that those parts were integrated into IBM production. The brown patina is normal for an original carbine and I wouldn't try to remove it. I think you have a very nice example of an early to mid range IBM carbine.

[ww321q]

What a great looking rifle!

[Curt]

I thought it was legit I can't imagine it saw enough wear or use to fall victim to parts swapping. Even though the dates of transfer parts don't quite line up, I believe this is the way it came from IBM, Iam just going to clean and oil it and put it in the safe.

[painter777]

IIRC,
Isn't this the serial range that IBM was having problems getting bolts from AO?
Seems like AO had heat treating (?) problems, Maybe hardness?
Either way, Just thinking out loud if this isn't near that range where IBM had reached out for bolts from other makers

Curt,
Way more than I expected to see.
Knowing what you paid.......... You did very well

Congrats Buddy

Charlie-Painter777

[INLAND44]

I cannot imagine the company officers/NCOs ever allowing bolts, etc. to be freely swapped among receivers with no gauging taking place. This procedure would have been allowed only by unit armorers and higher levels of maintenance for any weapon with removable bolt. Yes, I know it is a persistent story, and maybe it did happen after battles, but it still would be a very undesirable thing and potentially disastrous. I also know that 99 times out of 100, any bolt will run fine in any carbine and gauge out correctly, but indiscriminate large-scale swapping would have to result in a failure in battle at some point. Personally, I would never fire a carbine new-to-me or with a newly-swapped bolt without gauging it. In combat, I suppose that in an emergency it would be better than getting killed by the enemy but still risky. I believe that the widespread mixed bolts/parts in carbines resulted from rebuilds and repair/upgrading in the field and at higher levels of maintenance. At the same time, obviously there was some unauthorized parts-swapping going on, but I can't help but think it was not large-scale.
OTOH, maybe I just put too much stock in the many technical manuals the Ordnance Dep't. published on carbine maintenance/repair! G.I.s in the field do what they have to do, and many times 'field-expediancy' far outweighed 'the book'.

[Curt]

The dealer that had it Got it in trade for some type of tactical pistol, he wanted to find a collector for it, he did not want it in inventory. Somone gave him my number. He didn't want to disassmble it so I offered on what I saw on the outside. And won.I am really happy to have it.

[Curt]

I know my picture taking skills are bad but if you could hold this rifle in your hands and compare the parts and finish on it I think you would be in agreement with me that most everything on it matches in wear and appears near new.I happen to know that the fella that traded it to the dealer got A Springfield XD and some mags in trade so he didn't mess with it, he obviously wasn't carbine savvy. And with IBM having such well known problem with Bolts and borrowing bolts I am logging this one in my book as original as manufactured with lateral support contractor parts. Even though it would seem late for a IO bolt it also seems late for the I cut stock, And rear sight code but there they are.