Nice 5.7 Winchester on gunbroker

[Rustship]

Safety looks good to me.

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[Hercules Powder]

One thing that may be wrong about the safety are the tool marks on the face. They should be more like the face of the mag catch, cross ways not circular.

[deldriver]

I agree with what has been said about the barrel band, although the picture is not detailed enough. You would think the slide would show some wear also on the side shown. It appears to me to be refinished, but I could be wrong there. The hammer is Underwood isn't it?The neat thing (maybe) is that the serial number is about 1600 away from my 5.74.

[PBI]

The safety is 100% usgi Winchester, the hammer is an Underwood and there is no record of any lateral support on hammers to Winchester. It is documented that Underwood sent hammer springs and pins to Winchester in early 1944. The front site shows no signs of removal so from what I see the band looks ok. If you own a M1 Carbine that the front site is all beat up in the front and rear it more than likely has been removed and messed with. That is a sure way to tell if a M1 Carbine has been restored or parts removed and replaced. The front site on that rifle looks untouched but better pictures and an in person inspection would be the best way to determine if its original or not. Oh well In the spirit of collecting PBI

[DaveHH]

when viewed from the bottom left side will have the two spot welds above the screw hole, not at the same level or below. In photo 10 they appear to be inline or below.
Winchester type2

Inland type 2

[ChipS]

Winchester barrel bands
when viewed from the bottom left side will have the two spot welds above the screw hole, not at the same level or below. In photo 10 they appear to be inline or below.

I believe I have seen credible evidence that Winchester used both types (I call them hi-weld & lo-weld) of unmarked Type 2 bands. This apparently un-messed-with Winchester barrel with lo-weld band is one example. I have heard the unmarked lo-weld band also referred to as an Inland band.

[deldriver]

I believe I have seen credible evidence that Winchester used both types (I call them hi-weld & lo-weld) of unmarked Type 2 bands. This apparently un-messed-with Winchester barrel with lo-weld band is one example. I have heard the unmarked lo-weld band also referred to as an Inland band.

Just for general curiosity, what source or sources are you using? I am always open to learning something new. From what I've read, Winchester type 2 bands have the screw hole slightly lower than the two pinch marks. It was the Inland and Standard Products type 2 bands that the screw lined up even with the pinch marks for example. Of course Inland used other suppliers of the type 2 band too.

[ChipS]

Just for general curiosity, what source or sources are you using?

Years ago I thought all Winchester Type 2 bands were hi-weld and all unmarked lo-weld Type 2 bands were Inland, because that's what Harrison said (please don't laugh). Since that time I have seen numerous photos of Winchester barrels on this site and others, and I have observed several Winchester carbines that I believe were intact, and they wore both types of bands and with no evidence of replacement. Also, I have read posts by learned people whose opinions I value here on this sight, and on others, that surmise both bands as being original Winchester issue. I think the word Bubba-7 was looking for is "probable". We may never know how many of each weld pattern, if any, that Winchester may have asembled or when they did it. But I now believe it is probable that Winchester made, or purchased, and used both types of bands, simply because seeing either of them mounted on apparently original Winchester carbines is just not uncommon. ChipS

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

The safety looked good to me also. That was my reason for asking Bruce his thoughts. Winchester's safety has been brought up before, two and four years ago.

Is this a real Winchester Type III safety?
Winchester Safety Question

Each Winchester I've found has had it's safety. This loose one has been sitting in my parts box for over 20 years. Still waiting it's turn.

[deldriver]

Nice comparison picture, Dave. I was going by the position of the screw hole as I have learned to do. I also enlarged the photo some and got some more detail out of it. The gun is doing well still at just over 900 dollars as I type this.