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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckindenver View Post
    ok, i have to ask, why the Winchester WB on the side? why not FJA RA??
    looks like Boyds is getting better, they still need to open up the back area of the tang, thats a safety area for the stock.
    My info has it as a Springfield inspector stamp (will find the name on the bottom of my original post). I did this to show a representation of the mark, but for anyone who knows 03A3's that it is not an original stock. I've seen too many B.S. artists trying to pull off their stuff as original & ask top dollar. Personally, it ticks me off, but to each their own. I built this rifle for myself, but as all things, when it leaves my hands in the condition it is in now, there will be no mistaking the stock. As it stands now, their are a lot of FJA / RA stocks that are not original as well, as the stamps were at one time available. With a bit of practice, I dare say I could have made the FJA / RA marks, but chose not to. My advice towards Springfield purchases north & south of the border: "If it looks too good to be true, it's probably not".

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    you need about 1/16 gap behind the tang, also.
    before you shoot, install a rear tang bushing, you will damage the stock if its not used.
    with a standard GI issued bushing, trim 1/8 off and install.

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    Hey, great looking job, The Keystone stocks were somewhat thicker than S.A. or R.A. and that looks very close to the keystone, still a tad wider in some areas. I did notice the stock lugs are in the wrong direction, thats a nice detail to keep it an honest reproduction. Any and I mean ANY high end collector can tell a re-pro, if they can't they are playing in the wrong ball field. There are very pronounced production sequences that must be there, if not its a rep. If I were in the market for a shooter, I would do exactly as you've done, by the way the original stamp is a vee bottom, hmm-SDH

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    thats a nice looking restoration , the rifle looks to have deserved the rescue , congrats - nice job

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    Hey, great looking job, The Keystone stocks were somewhat thicker than S.A. or R.A. and that looks very close to the keystone, still a tad wider in some areas. I did notice the stock lugs are in the wrong direction, thats a nice detail to keep it an honest reproduction. Any and I mean ANY high end collector can tell a re-pro, if they can't they are playing in the wrong ball field. There are very pronounced production sequences that must be there, if not its a rep. If I were in the market for a shooter, I would do exactly as you've done, by the way the original stamp is a vee bottom, hmm-SDH
    I believe the stock bolts are indeed in the right direction, but you did make me look. I just went and eye balled the inspector stamp. It has a v cut on the raised portions of the face. So any mix up of the appearance; I'll knock that one up to my ham fisted strike on the stock. A high end collector, I am not. But eventually I would like to have all shootable representations in my collection.
    My interest in 03's started back in my early 20's when my father, a World War II vet with the Princess Patricia's Canadianicon Light Infantry. During his training in Winnipeg he had stated that he had watch an American rifle squad (maybe a team?) shooting with a great deal of accuracy at great distances. The actual distances I won't quote because I simply don't remember. So instead of my deceased father or I being labeled as B.S.er's, I'll leave that up to your imagination...

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    the stock bolts are indeed, in correct.

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    Very strange, I have several pre-war 03's from good sources that have the opposite direction. I collected Springfields from the mid 1970's to 1993 when I had to sell of the collection because #2 son came down with spinal meningitis while having no insurance at the time. It cost me over 160 rifles, but, when all was said and done all the bills were paid and I still had a son and 3 1903 rifles. I'm not sure of the lug direction in war time guns, my apologies, if you wait a second I'll see if I can get the other foot in my mouth. The only reason I even looked at it was bask when they were affordable I would check and see the lug head on the right side looking for a #2 which indicated the gun was a DCM issued N.M. rifle and if correct it has the #2 on the lug, a number 64012 stamped on the base of the barrel with a star gauge number at the top, center of the barrel. There are exceptions to all rules this is not in stone because over the years DCM guns mated with the Military issued and things became a wee bit confusing. Sorry for being so long winded, I still love them, I just can't afford them anymore-SDH

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    Here in Canadaicon, I know things can get really confusing with the 'non military' 03's. More than one gunsmith has told me stories of counterfeit star gauged barrels & NRA target rifles being built to spec... I think that's why I'm not so worked up on pedigree. If the rifle was properly papered, odds are I could not afford it, or at least not the number I have now. My interest at this time is to have a 'correct as possible' collection. If its a rifle I assemble, I will try to use a tell tale mark if it uses aftermarket pieces. But I'll still try to put it together correctly.

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    a true NRA Sporter is easy to spot, serial number ranger first, the receiver face edge at the top with be rounded, and only above the wood line.
    the star gauge number is different on every rifle done, the number stamped on the crossbolt in the stock, is the subinspectors mark from the company that made the bolt, and has nothing to do with it being a NM or stargauged rifle.
    NM rifles have some things that make them a NM, most, true NM rifles were in fact built with a grasping groove stock, and not a C-stock, the C-stock wasnt really used mutch till after 1925, though some examples of a 1903A1 NM made in 1922 are out in the world,
    in my opinion a true 1903A1 would be serial number 1million2 and above.
    to make it more confusing, they made alot of variations of the NM style rifles, and standard service rifles could be star guaged as well.
    the fact that the rifle shown in the pictures he posted is a 1903A3 tells me its not a NM the 1903A3 NM is a strange bird to say the least, they were done with straight grip stocks, and a redfield sight mounted on the left, and did nt use a star guaged barrel, as the tools were not used after 1939, all A3 barrel were airguaged.
    the single bolt stock on my 1903 RIA has the stock bolt right to left, cant get much more pre war then that.
    maybe the pictures you see are transposed, as thats a common issue on the net and in pictures in books and magazines.
    id have to look, but maybe the M1917 Enfield has the bolts facing right to left, but then id have to open my safe and move a bunch a stuff.

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    One of the rifles I have left is a 1934 C stock that was "issued" not a WW II rebuild but a genuine issued C stock w/o the A3 sight cut, marked circle P and SPG. When I was selling off, many folks offered ridiculous amounts of money for it but, I wanted to keep if if I could and did, I also kept a 1912 as issued and a N.M. prototype sniper, stolen I mean removed from Ft. Benning in the late 1940's by a lt. Col. from a local town. Its one of those things that looks like ET to most folks, but, is a beauty in my eyes. They only thing I've purchased lately is an Elmer Keith inspected A3 in near mint condition, kinda common but shoots better than most that I've shot. When looking at 1903 N.M.s bevery careful of inspector S.D.H. there are over 60 of them in circulation, built as representative rigs with all correct components. I supplied a card with them and used my initials because there is no S.D.H. inspector, just me. I saw one come up in an auction in Maine and called the Auctioneer and explained he had a rep rig and he informed me I was full of nasty stuff, he suckered some poor dude for $3,200.00. If I could have driven to that auction I would have, but, thats just the way it goes I suppose. These days I use different DM#s, my initials and a stock # under the stamping. Its real hard to miss that if you know what your looking for and only build them on specific request, HTH-SDH

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