Anyone know this R.L.R. marking?

[Peter Laidler]

Not happy about a regimental stamp. It LOOKS too regular to be stamped. Probably engraved. Who would be still alive that worked on Lee Speeds Gil?

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[Gil Boyd]

Peter,
I have three names which I will PM you, one of the names is on the Parker Hale M85 story I sent you................. initials Bill.S
I meant in my earlier email............fixing them not making them, as it was normally a PH sight issue they came back as a whole , normally the soldered mount failures

[bigduke6]

The rifle in question is not quite right regarding the barrel, as a Lee speed (MLE) .22 conversion was just the same as a Rifle, long, .22-inch Mk1 or in this case a Mk11 (bolt safety) so the barrel has had a chop, and looks like its been turned down to accept a SMLE fore sight block and a sight protector fitted from a, Rifle RF Short. Mk11 and also a nose cap, as the Long Rifle retained the Bayonet lug.

A Nice rifle, but not quite correct in my eyes (I'm viewing on a small screen) the rear sight also looks like a conversion (A very good one), never seen a AJP TZ like that before.

Based on the above I would guess RLR maybe the Gunsmith who did the barrel and the rear sight (if I'm right regarding the sight)

[Thunderbox]

As it has AJP on the barrel and Parker Hale on the receiver, I'm guessing that at some point these were on two different rifles.

[Gil Boyd]

Beerhunter,
Take that totally on board, however,the title Royal London and my suggestion of (Regiment(s) was no more than that, could account for RLR on the rifle. In the late 19th into the early 20th Century Royal London was stretched in Military history to include many Regiments of the line, some UK based, but many of which were Canadian based to for example:

Royal London Fusiliers Monument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Royal London title was often stitched prefacing lots of Regiments, don't ask me why specifically Royal Lincolnshire Regiment/Royal Leicestershire Regiment but also Royal Labrador Regiment which later became the Royal Newfoundland Regiment in Canada many at the time the Lee Speed was being developed.
So my theory and hopefully helpful suggestion was merely for the melting pot, as I know from my own Regiment we stamped EVERYTHING as we rarely gave things back once broken

[Beerhunter]

I have never heard of the Royal Fusiliers being called (even informally) the Royal "London" Fusiliers and I was around when they were extant! They were the Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment).

Nor have I heard of any regiment being called, even informally, as the Royal London anything. I speak as an ex-member of the oldest Regiment of London. Or, as far as we are concerned, anywhere else in the UK for that matter :-)

As to why some regiments are Royal and others are not it is because the "Royal" has to be earned or inherited. e.g the former Royal Hampshire Regiment (1946) and the latter: the Royal Air Force's Army antecedents - Royal Engineers and from them the Royal Flying Corps. Or the Royal Signals, also from the Royal Engineers.

[Gil Boyd]

Oh thats why my Regiment never became ROYAL then, we couldn't have earnt it or been involved in enough battles ??

[Beerhunter]

Oh thats why my Regiment never became ROYAL then, we couldn't have earnt it or been involved in enough battles ??

Maybe some one didn't ask. I agree is is an anomaly. Perhaps someone should take it with your Colonel in Chief. He aught to have some pull with his mother.

My old Regiment, in spite of its age and record, is also not Royal - merely Honourable. :-)

[Gil Boyd]

Yes Charles did slip up there, but frankly it wouldn't go down to well now anyway, we have got used to being what we are. HAC know a few there, especially those that frequent the bar or did you mean Fusiliers?

Getting back to Jeff's original question about the R.L.R, non of us have a clue really but we do like to try and help if we can. Lets not forget, these stamps were in a generation when everything got stamped including passports.............now thats a thing of the past too.

[gsimmons]

Could it not just be a commercial rifle and not actually have any military affiliation?