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    Well the rifle looks like a legit TR rifle after all, with a replaced forend and buttstock. The scope and mount legit Because the rifle lacks the T mark, it would appear it was not mated with a scope at Holland and Holland.

    I expect the rest of the story will likely be explained by Captain Laidlericon, as he was in service working on No4 T around the time that the armorer's tag says this rifle was worked on. Very neat set up.
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    Wouldn't that be cool if he remembers filling out the tag?

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    Yes, rifle is legit, though with lots of replacement parts. Not sure about the 'RT'. The early rifles weren't TR stamped & whilst the side wall T was often added later on, IMHO it would be unusual to see the TR added. I wonder if that stamp was added by somebody as they thought it 'ought' to be there? Only 18 months ago at Bisley a friend showed me his early BSA 4T (1941 mfr). It was one that I had sold from my collection a few years ago, but it now sports 'M47/C' & 'TR' on the butt socket, &, IIRC a 'T' on the receiver.............none of which were present originally. I don't think there was any universal agreement to so mark rifles accepted for sniper rifle conversion that early (1941) in the war, which would explain why the 'TR' (or 'RT' in this case) are not usually there!

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    This came from an estate sale of the original owner ( same address as on shipping card shown) who had passed away. Everything in the case including the old newspapers looked like it had not been touched in years. May be he did do the stamping or may be the boys at Hunters Lodge did. But I doubt back then someone would have thought to do so. I about had a heart attack when I started looking through it and found all the tags and things. I've never had a gun with documents. I'm very fortunate that he didn't throw away those back then when he bought it for $86

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    Few more pics. The scope knobs turn nice and work as they should and the optics are perfect.














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    Interesting info on The Royal Scots Royal Scots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Forgot to show the sling that was in the bottom of the case. Could find no markings what so ever.




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    Early WW1 sling I expect. There'll be markings at the frog usually, the short piece should have some. Just a matter of a bit of moisture and light to see them. There are unmarked versions...but not so many.
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    Great find and great pics!

    In the bottom of my transit case I too found a receipt from hunters lodge. Price back then was $79. Same packing tags too on the scope can. Scope and rifle do not match.

    I bought mine from the original owner back in 1993. He remembers ordering it from Hunters lodge. He told me me he payed extra to have a "special select" rifle and scope. Apparently, they would hand pick rifles and scopes, regardless if they matched or not. My transit case is matched to my rifle, but scope and can are mismatched.

    Thanks for posting!

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