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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnutjay View Post
    IF this is the case, the Conservatives are going to get a swift kick in the a$$ from all the LAW ABIDING firearms owners!

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    It looks like the RCMP ( or whoever controlls them ) are going alone on this.

    I'm not certain that the Conservatives are behind it. From what I am told Garry B only found out about this yesterday morning.

    Until yesterday I thought the Conservatives were running the country, but I'm not so sure about that now. There is something very strange going on.

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    Any word on when the CSSA will make this info public?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick View Post
    It looks like the RCMP ( or whoever controlls them ) are going alone on this.

    I'm not certain that the Conservatives are behind it. From what I am told Garry B only found out about this yesterday morning.

    Until yesterday I thought the Conservatives were running the country, but I'm not so sure about that now. There is something very strange going on.
    If this is the case, then it won't happen. The RCMP cannot issue an OIC. Only cabinet can do that. The ONLY thing the RCMP can do is rule whether a firearm is a converted auto or not.

    This being the case, I would NOT worry about the M305 getting prohibited as they cannot and never could accept full auto parts. The receiver rail is not milled out to accept a full auto trip lever. Period.

    If you are instead talking about the "new" VZ58 lineup John at Marstar was trying to get imported (not including the VZ58S and VZ58L), then yes, you are quite right that the RCMP has ruled them prohib converted autos. John is fighting an appeal on that as we speak and it only started less than a week ago.

    There was some talk that the RCMP were revisiting the status of the bullpup Type 97, but as of yesterday, transfers were still being approved for them.

    I talked to John last week and he was clear that the RCMP HAVE NOT re-classed previously sold VZ58S and VZ58L's. I do not know if the same is true of the 858.

    My personal take is that the VZ58S and VZ58L receivers from CZ Hermex are rather different than the CZ858 receivers. The method of limiting them to semi is different and also, the 858's have the area where the czech military serializes the receivers milled away. If the RCMP were to use anything to claim a gun was unjustly converted from what once was a live ex-military full-auto, it would probably be that milling work which is only found on the 858.

    Apart from that, I've heard nothing. Nadda. Zip. Squat.

    That would be highly unusual since I have contacts at the CFC, CBSA, and at least 4 dealers who sell these things. I would have thought I would have heard something by now if the problem extended beyond the aforementioned new VZ58 models Marstar was trying to import (they also mostly had REALLY short barrels that the RCMP would just HATE).

    But who knows... I can't know all and see all 100% of the time

    Again, I will wait and see before panicking much. The Cons, IMHO, would not be wise to do something so much of their constituency would just loathe.
    Союз нерушимый республик свободных Сплотила навеки Великая Русь. Да здравствует созданный волей народов Единый, могучий Советский Союз!

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    This is what alerted me to what's going on.


    "Hi Mick:

    We have just been informed that the RCMP have removed 15+ FRTs from the system (and maybe more to come). Dealers are complaining because all transfers (sales) of these firearms are now stalled. I think your troubles may be related to this bigger issue. I think it might help you(and others maybe) if you got in direct contact with Tony Bernardo, Executive Director of the Canadianicon Institute for Legislative Action and the Canadian Shooting Sports Association Phone: 905-571-2150 E-MAIL: abernardo343@rogers.com "

    When I questioned this I was told this today....

    "Hi Mick: This is the RCMP doing something under existing legislation. It has nothing to do with legislation. Please get in touch with Tony. He will know more than us.

    I spoke with Tony Bernardo yesterday, and he told me that he did not have a complete list but the 858's and the M14icon and I think the type 97 were on it. I think some of the SSD firearms may also be on the list as I can not find anything on the CFC FRT search using the BD 3008 FRT number, whereas a search last week revealed full details.
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    That just doean't make sense. Barring an OIC, the RCMP CANNOT prohibit a firearm. The only three "loopholes" to that are:

    1) they get to determine if a bullpup is legal or not based upon if the stock is integral to the function of the firearm.
    2) they get to determine if a gun is a converted auto or not, based ONLY upon if the receiver was ever a full auto.
    3) they get to determine if a new firearm is a variant of a firearm already prohibited by name, and only if variants are included in the prohibition order.

    The only other way to prohib a gun in Canadaicon is by OIC. Period. End of story.

    I'm interested to see where this goes.
    Союз нерушимый республик свободных Сплотила навеки Великая Русь. Да здравствует созданный волей народов Единый, могучий Советский Союз!

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    Mick, who was the author of the message "We have just been informed...."?

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    Down south of the border, the gun owners are just waiting for another meaningless piece of legislation to hit the floors of house and senate. With all the crap already running amok, this could be the straw that broke the camels back-SDH

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiriaq View Post
    Mick, who was the author of the message "We have just been informed...."?
    Dennis Young. Garry B's assistant.



    It is now impossible to register ( amongst others ) ANY sten. I have today initiated court proceedings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claven2 View Post
    That just doean't make sense. Barring an OIC, the RCMP CANNOT prohibit a firearm. The only three "loopholes" to that are:

    1) they get to determine if a bullpup is legal or not based upon if the stock is integral to the function of the firearm.
    2) they get to determine if a gun is a converted auto or not, based ONLY upon if the receiver was ever a full auto.
    3) they get to determine if a new firearm is a variant of a firearm already prohibited by name, and only if variants are included in the prohibition order.

    The only other way to prohib a gun in Canadaicon is by OIC. Period. End of story.

    I'm interested to see where this goes.
    I am told they are using existing legislation for this.

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    Existing legislation would require an OIC - that is what the legislation provides for.

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