Not quite understanding modern outrage

[Lee Enfield]

OK the really important question, is that a Dora (D9) or a TA152??

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[CINDERS]

The 152 had an inline am I correct, the butcher bird was a very nasty surprise for the Allies pilots when it hit the skies they tried to combat it with a clipped wing version of the spitfire to increase the roll rate and an engine with a smaller blower impeller which ended up being inferior to the 190 anyway.
The pilots who flew that particular type of spitfire against the 190 called that mark of the spitfire " Clipped, Cropped and Clapped "

[henry r]

cinders, both the 190D9 and the TA152 ran inline engines.

i love how the designers used the exhaust to disrupt the airflow to mate the round cowl (radial) to a slab sided body. very clever.

[Gil Boyd]

Bob,
I have just had the same dilemna. A friend who is an accomplished REME fitter has collected for many years WW2 vehicles which he has always marvelled at the simplicity of their reliable construction. One such vehicle I have put up on the site is his Type 82 1943 Kublewagen in Afrika Corps markings as it was. (With no photos)
It comes with everything original that would have been in the vehicle and its trailer which in itself is like "Rocking horse ****".
It comes with the obvious marking of the swastika on nearly everything and the usual red flag that draped over the bonnet. To counter that when the British captured German vehicles they draped the RAF roundel over the bonnet, it has that too.
Everything on the vehicle including ALL the DEAC weapons are authentic, and I would class this as a 100% Museum piece because of it.

So yes it is an issue that some people find offensive, but it is part of history and "We should never forget" and by so doing show it as it was IMHO!

[villiers]

Here in Germany, it is definitely verboten to apply any symbol designating National Socialism on anything that is on public display. So therefore, a vintage aircraft that is privately owned could display the Iron Cross, but not a swastika on the tail. The only exception is for items displayed in a museum depicting their historical relevance. Germans generally might find the US practise of openly displaying Nazi symbols amusing, but slightly naive. And definitely not to be tolerated locally. Personally, I´m not complaining ...

[Bob Womack]

Here in Germany, it is definitely verboten to apply any symbol designating National Socialism on anything that is on public display. So therefore, a vintage aircraft that is privately owned could display the Iron Cross, but not a swastika on the tail. The only exception is for items displayed in a museum depicting their historical relevance. Germans generally might find the US practise of openly displaying Nazi symbols amusing, but slightly naive. And definitely not to be tolerated locally. Personally, I´m not complaining ...

You would be interested to know that several of the German planes that have been at the museum were restored at a specialty flugzeugwerk in Germany. They had to wait until they arrived in the U.S. before the the Hakenkreuz could be applied. Another little irony of history was that the name of the flugzeugwerk was Meier Motors. Remember the quote from Hermann Göring?


BF-109G-4

Bob

[Gil Boyd]

Bob,
Yes wasn't it something along the lines............" Don't fly over England again as we are getting our arses kicked, by a better plane the SPITFIRE".
All joking aside...........didn't he tell Hitler he would win the war in the air if he had a squadron of Spitfires............that took him off Hitlers Christmas card list instantly.
Bit rough about the badging as I know the guys fly the 109's at Duxford Airshows all marked up!

[Bob Womack]

Bob,
Yes wasn't it something along the lines............" Don't fly over England again as we are getting our arses kicked, by a better plane the SPITFIRE".
All joking aside...........didn't he tell Hitler he would win the war in the air if he had a squadron of Spitfires............that took him off Hitlers Christmas card list instantly.
Bit rough about the badging as I know the guys fly the 109's at Duxford Airshows all marked up!

That was what then-Major Adolph Galland said to Reichmaschall Göring during the Battle of Britain.



Göring had just come to France and had spend a nice long while royally chewing out his two primary fighter commanders (Galland, Gruppenkommandeur of Jagdgeschwader 26, and Major Werner Mölders, Gruppenkommandeur of Jagdgeschwader 51) because he felt the fighter pilots were being cowardly by not flying close escort to the bombers. Some objected that they didn't have the fuel to do so but Göring wouldn't hear of it and demanded close escort. Then Göring had one of his famous mercurial changes of temper and said, 'Come now, I've chastised you enough. What can I get for you.' Mölders kept his lip buttoned but Galland, blurted out, "A squadron of Spitfires!" That toasted Göring pretty well. The truth was that uder the best conditions the BF-109e that they were flying had only about ten minutes combat time once it reached the fighting areas in England so the locally-based British interceptors could engage them until they ran dry or used enough fuel that they had to ditch in the Channel on the way back. Formation flying ate up far more fuel than having bombers and fighters fly over at their most economical speed and do a rendezvous. That, and Galland knew that fighters lost the initiative if they were tied to formation flying with the bombers.

Bob

[Aragorn243]

Same problem right now in the US with the Confederate flag. Add to that the problem that people don't know which flag is the correct flag and assume they all are and all are bad. They are also removing monuments. It is erasing history and it's being done by a very vocal minority.

[Eaglelord17]

Same problem right now in the US with the Confederate flag. Add to that the problem that people don't know which flag is the correct flag and assume they all are and all are bad. They are also removing monuments. It is erasing history and it's being done by a very vocal minority.

Not just erasing history but rewriting it as well. For example the US Civil War is a great example of a war which they have tried to change why they fought. Current history classes teach it was fought over slavery, which didn't really become a issue until later in the war as there were Northern states with slavery as well (even the Emancipation Proclamation didn't free all the slaves only those in rebellion with the North, so basically the slaves in the South were freed, well those in Northern states that still had slavery were still slaves).

The main cause for the South to secede was the complete and total exclusion of the South from the political process. They did vote but they felt there votes were worthless when Lincoln was elected without any support from the South. This caused the South to give up on being part of the Union feeling they had no say, and the opinions the North and South had were so far apart which resulted in the civil war.