Early Rock Island Find

[rayg]

I can't recall when RI added the stock bolt and I had sold off all my books recently but I'm thinking the stock bolt might have been approved about 1908-09 or so. Not sure, anymore. Maybe some one can help with the answer, Ray

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[Snowman1510]

This is my 1913 dated Springfield Armory M1903.

[MoMallard]

Well. I've spent all my tears and can now post. First out of the stock showed a full sight collar vs. split so I knew immediately. It was a put together. Not a horrible one, but damn sure not as issued. So, my evaluation: period 1908 stock that had been routed to accept the later full sight collar. You can still see the original relief cut for the early sight collar in the wood. You can see the two holes underneath the front band indicating that it was shortened. Rear sight looks like a Springfield vs. Rock Island, but maybe the gurus can confirm. Other than that, and the disparity in serial vs. barrel, it's not bad. At least for the price I paid for it. Not a real true period correct Rock Island, but still pretty nice. Will be a welcome addition as a representative example regardless.

[CINDERS]

Still a tidy looking rifle though.

[Rick the Librarian]

The rifle may have been one of those paired and/or overhauled early on. Springfield started replacing and repairing almost from the get-go. Pre-WWI overhauled M1903s are uncommon.

One of the most interesting (to me) M1903s I have is Springfield #313439. While the receiver dates to about 1907, the barrel was replaced with a 1915 SA; the stock was replaced by a rebuilt Rod Bayonet and a single stock bolt added. It has a "script" inspection stamp from the RB days and was overstruck by a JSA stamp. An S30 bolt, which may be original to 1907. I'm assuming this rifle was overhauled in the 1915-1916 period. Note that the formerly high wall stock was modified to the later standard.

I know we get all excited over "original" rifles, but some of the rebuilds are interesting, too.

[MoMallard]

Thanks Rick. You are correct. We often forego the significance of the rebuild as part of the story of the 1903. We kinda get the notion of a haphazard slap together rifle that has lost it's pedigree and forget that in many instances it's harder to find a representative example of a "by the book" early rebuild, with the primary example being the early conversions. That's an interesting and beautiful example you have there. I don't think I'm privy to those sub inspection stamps in the cutoff recess, especially the triangle. Is that a part of the initial inspection or something to do with the rebuild?

[MoMallard]

I finally managed to find my Ferris/Beard production alterations book and noted on p.26 that the split sight base was discontinued in October 1907. So, since the barrel is 10-08 dated, then I'm assuming that it was correctly assembled with a solid sight base. On the same page, the rear stock bolt was authorized on February 20, 1908. So the CN 1908 inspected stock with a single cross bolt is highly possible. But, the stock itself was originally cut/manufactured on the stock lathe for the pre-1906 cartridge due to the plugged front band screw hole (no rod bayonet insert) with S stamp and originally routed for the split rear sight base. The receiver date is 1907. What the heck is going on here? Did it come out of Rock Island as it sits? Did it get an early rebuild? I'm solidly confused now.

[rayg]

I finally managed to find my Ferris/Beard production alterations book and noted on p.26 that the split sight base was discontinued in October 1907. So, since the barrel is 10-08 dated, then I'm assuming that it was correctly assembled with a solid sight base.

The rear sight was made by Springfield, so doubt the rear sight and the solid base were originally assembled by RA. Most likely it went through Springfield for some reason and the split base was replaced with the solid base with the SA rear sight at that time.
Of course you could say the rear sight base was originally put on by RI and the rear sight put on later by SA. But that would be just a stretch. It usually takes months or even longer for up graded parts to get added to a current production rifle. So most likely an 1907 off the line RA rifle would still come off the line with a split base. Wish I could tell you you something different. It's just my opinion anyway. Ray

[Rick the Librarian]

We can sometimes get all excited about "specific" dates for changes made - often, there was a considerable transition period between changes made.

[Fred G.]

That’s a Very interesting rifle!