Fake WW2 1943 REL CANADA SNIPER SCOPE

[Seaforth72]

Here are the markings on my genuine C No. 32 Mk. IA that was originally made as a No. 32 Mk. I in 1943 by R.E.L. It was in Indian military service and sadly a number of ex-Indian scopes and No. 8 Mk. I cases were stored in terribly wet conditions. These scopes and cases have varying degrees of rust on them. My C No. 32 MK. IA 359-C is is presently with Warren Wheatfield for repairs. Sadly the tube is badly pitted, but as it is a very rare model, it is worth trying to save.

R.E.L. appears to have numbered their scopes as follows:
* C No. 32 Mk. I, IA, II in a single series beginning with 1. The late Clive Law reported that some Mk. IA such as the one shown here were, converted but retained their original serial numbers.
* C No. 32 Mk. 3 in another series beginning with 1.
* C No. 32 Mk. IV (renamed C No. 67 Mk. I) series beginning with 1.
* Lyman Trade Pattern scopes used Lyman 4 digit serial number with "S" suffix.
* Experimental scopes e.g. My R.E.L. Gimbal 3.5X, pilot model for the C No. 32 Mk. IV / C No. 67 Mk. I, is numbered EXP-0144 R (first two numbers appear to be serial number that year, last two digits of the year, meaning of "R" is unknown to me.)

As a result there were hundreds of duplicated serial numbers, so knowing which model is correct for your rifle tells you which scope with a "matching" serial number is correct.

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[Micheal Doyne]

Finish matches the RSM I have, the smooth section around the stampings is likely where the original rather shallow RSM stamps have been removed. Below are a couple of photos of my RSM. Attachment 102299Attachment 102300

[Micheal Doyne]

I notice it has moved to 1.5k, Still over three times it’s value

[Scout Sniper]

Thats a hell of a drop at the flick of a wrist...

[Scout Sniper]

Thanks for the info...

[Flying10uk]

It would appear that the listing has been ended, prematurely, by the vendor.

[Peter Laidler]

Er......... who are RSM? Never heard of them and never seen one.

Oh yes, just noticed that it is a repro dated 2014

Incidentally Colin, REL's have a tendency to rust out regardless of where they are. When I was repairing them, I have probably grafted more ocular ends onto REL's than any other make. Probably in the 30's or so including those needing a new rear from the segment cover rearwards

[Micheal Doyne]

Er......... who are RSM? Never heard of them and never seen one.

Red Star Mountain, a Chinese copy of the No32 Mk2, mine so far (1000 rnds +\- on a range, not bashing it around) functions ok, but the finish isn’t great and I assume the internals differ quite a bit.

Additionally I understand columniation was a bit of a faff needing some better pads than it was supplied with, but Fulton kindly took care of that.

I have only a couple of actual 32s and a few 53s and 42s, all seem to have or have had a nice smooth external finish; with no obvious rough machine marks, while only my repro has that machined ridged affect to the barrel and ocular bell.

Where all the originals finished comparably smooth or do some genuine 32s have this banded rough finish that this (maybe?) REL and my RMS repro have?

[Peter Laidler]

As a matter of interest, the only reference to the Canadian Mk1A I could ever find in any UK literature was along the lines that '.........this is Canadian issued instrument not a UK designated type. While optically and mechanically identical it operates in an identical manner as the Mk2.....' What they're saying is that it it a complete Mk1 EXCEPT that the Mk1A has Mk2 type clicker plates so records range and deflection in 1 minute of angle clicks. The Mk1 drum is not marked between the ranges, the Mk2 drum is marked on the 50 yard marks too. I suppose you could call it a bit of a mix-and-match improvement.

Have just read the ebay description and it looks like we forumers are a bunch of dim-wits. But I still confess that of the couple that I have seen, none so far have been stamped with the designation and number. But I am still willing to learn as they say.............

[bigduke6]

I cant judge anything by the pics posted but the Bracket stands out most as a modern repro, the turrets etc look legit to me and the rest of the scope looks like it may of been sanded in a lathe, reason for the heavy marks on the tube and the very light marking of TEL. SIGHTING which is just visable.

Its no interest to me but would be worth asking the owner to take some pics of it out of the bracket, just to see what it is, may be worth something to someone.