Collectible M1 Inland

[DaveHH]

I think he was asking if I used "Singer" in reference to the 500 1911A1's built by Singer and which are considered by some to be the "holy grails" of 1911's. Of course, if anyone has one for sale for less than 5,000, I will be happy to take it.....okay, 10,000......okay, I'll take out a second on the house for a 100,000.....

Then you'd find out that it is a fake....... I've seen one, 40 years ago. I'm more of a USS&S man myself if I was going out on that limb. We used to not even look at GI 1911s in the old days, They were cheap, very cheap and an Essex frame was looked at in the same way. Car guns. We would always buy those beautiful 50s,60s Commercial Colts for $200-225 a pop. Probably because we all had used the GI clunkers in VN. I never even bothered to look at which brand the pistol was, it was just a 45.

Those were the days. Free exchange of guns at a show. S&W 5 screw K22s for $200, 4 screw .22 Combat Masterpieces for $150.

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[Singer B]

Yes sir, that would be my luck!!!

[EddieM]

@Singer B

I believe Eddy is talking about the Inland with the cut down barrel and Mid rear sight, he posted here:
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=73278

The Mexican Pimp Carbine

Hola Carlito,
You´re right compadre, that was my 1st post.
Eddie

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I think he was asking if I used "Singer" in reference to the 500 1911A1's built by Singer and which are considered by some to be the "holy grails" of 1911's. Of course, if anyone has one for sale for less than 5,000, I will be happy to take it.....okay, 10,000......okay, I'll take out a second on the house for a 100,000.....

Hey Singer,
Charlie is right, he´s showing you my post about my 6 digit Inland.
And yes you´re right too about if I asked about if you use "Singer" regarding to the 19911A1 made by Singer.
Eddie

[USGI]

Charlie's trying to direct you to pictures of the Inland you requested. - Bob

[jimb16]

Why the B? I think they made the receivers at their Bridgeport plant.

[painter777]

I think they made the receivers at their Bridgeport plant.

Hi Jim,
You've probably seen Dan's write up of Underwood Subcontractors, I'll Link it below for others to read.
The B was a likely Theory to being made in Bridgeport.

Quoting Dan's Excellent article:

"Singer Manufacturing Company, Bridgeport CT, was given the fourth set of numbers in Underwood’s second block. The S code was now taken by United Shoe Machinery Corporation. M was not feasible for Manufacturing as most companies had the words manufacturing or machinery in their names. Also, M was in use for Marlin Firearms Company. It has been theorized that B could have been for Bridgeport. The problem with this is that no other code matched a city of the subcontractor, and then why not B for Brooklyn where Intertype was located.

It is more reasonable that B was the first available letter not yet used. To follow the theory of alphabetical letter assignments the A would have had to be assigned before Singer received their contract."

Underwood Subcntractors A-Z - The Carbine Collector's Club

HTH,

[Singer B]

Hi Jim,
You've probably seen Dan's write up of Underwood Subcontractors, I'll Link it below for others to read.
The B was a likely Theory to being made in Bridgeport.

Quoting Dan's Excellent article:

"Singer Manufacturing Company, Bridgeport CT, was given the fourth set of numbers in Underwood’s second block. The S code was now taken by United Shoe Machinery Corporation. M was not feasible for Manufacturing as most companies had the words manufacturing or machinery in their names. Also, M was in use for Marlin Firearms Company. It has been theorized that B could have been for Bridgeport. The problem with this is that no other code matched a city of the subcontractor, and then why not B for Brooklyn where Intertype was located.

It is more reasonable that B was the first available letter not yet used. To follow the theory of alphabetical letter assignments the A would have had to be assigned before Singer received their contract."

Underwood Subcntractors A-Z - The Carbine Collector's Club

HTH,

Always cool to learn new things! Thanks!

[painter777]

Always cool to learn new things!

Yea,
But trying to remember is a B!tch,

[jimb16]

Since S was already taken, B for Bridgeport Works makes perfect sense. After all, SG and S'G' are for Saginaw Gear and I is for Inland, etc...

[painter777]

Since S was already taken, B for Bridgeport Works makes perfect sense. After all, SG and S'G' are for Saginaw Gear and I is for Inland, etc...

I see your thinking, but SG and S'G' were Prime makers.
SG- Saginaw Steering Gear.
S'G'- Saginaw Steering Gear: Grand Rapids Division.

We have to keep in mind that: "Ordnance recommended that the system Inland used should be adopted, where parts were marked subcontractor to prime contractor"
So every Prime had a marking system to ID their Sub Contractors.
Some of these Subs made parts for other Primes and used their ID on parts for that particular Prime.

Example: Firing pins made by Olsen Brothers Machine Tool & Saw Company which used OB B variations for I.B.M. but used SI for Inland.
Question- If B was designated to Singer, Would a B stamped part be confused with IBM?

The A-Z list is for Sub Contractor Markings for parts supplied to Underwood.
"This article is focused only on the subcontracted marked parts used by Underwood"
It also reads (for Underwood) ".....that no other code matched a city of the subcontractor, and then why not B for Brooklyn where Intertype was located."


No sense calling for a Dog that wont hunt. Not worth the effort to try to figure out what Ordnance had in mind.... Fubar comes to mind.

I do have a few favorite markings, like the F in a Heart ·U· Op Slide marking for Underwood, made by Frederick Hart & Co.
Or the Ψ ·U· Trigger made for Underwood by the Neptune Meter Co.

Though confusing and even aggravating at times, it was the markings I started seeing on My Fathers M1 Carbine that peeked my interest.

For you Jim,
Your just too used to Makers names Lined Out and Receivers being passed from one Prime to another just to end up with another. It's your Carbines that get 'Complicated'

When is the next show? You've done very well this year,

Stay Safe,

PS: 4-21 Happy Birthday JimB