confused on Saginaw

[ScottR]

Dnikkor, SG shipped barrels to there sister plant S'G' in Nov/Dec 1943.
Assy. in Dec. 43.

hth Scott

[dnikkor]

I wonder if S'G' receivers with S.G. serial numbers were ever assembled at the Saginaw S.G. plant? Were serial numbers usually stamped at the same time as the manufacturers name on the receivers?

[Maniac]

Dnikkor, check this link out (you may have to register there to see it) to get an idea of where and when Saginaw Division produced their receivers:

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Have you decided whether to buy the Carbine in question? Someone more knowledgable than I can correct me if I'm wrong but if said carbine is in its original configuration I wouldn't think the issue of where it was made will be a factor in its value, of course you'll have to deduct what it might cost for an appropriate S'G' stock might cost. JMHO
I just bought my S'G' a month ago so hopeflly one of the more experienced forum members can weigh in on that question but I've seen just a correct barrelled receiver with ty 1 sights and band go for $1K
What's the asking price?

[BrianQ]

Based on the production figures of carbines shipped from the Grand Rapids facility Saginaw Gear ran out of IP serial numbers toward the end of October 1943. That’s when the tail end of Saginaw Gear’s 3250020 – 3651519 serial number block was shifted to Grand Rapids. Saginaw Gear moved to their 5 million block once they reached the last number they kept for the Saginaw facility. The actual split of the block from SG to S’G’ appears to be around the mid 3.5 mill range thus giving roughly 110,000 numbers to Grand Rapids, about three and a half months production based on then current rates. There is some serial number overlapping between S’G’ and SG. More on the serial number overlap latter.

Contrary to what was posted earlier S’G’ carbines were not built from leftovers from the SG plant. They were originally assembled from parts on hand when Saginaw Gear took over the facility from IP then from parts Saginaw made at the Grand Rapids facility or had made for them. The Grand Rapids facility ceased carbine production in January 1944, last delivery by mid month, and the SG facility ceased production in April 1944 so any leftover parts would have been used at Saginaw not Grand Rapids. When Grand Rapids stopped carbine production the remaining parts were sent to Saginaw and put into the assembly line there. This probably caused the overlapping at the serial number split. It may also be why there are S’G’ carbines with SG serial numbers with a large portion of SG parts.

[dnikkor]

I really appreciate everybody's help educating me in the wonderful world of Saginaw carbines. Needless to say, the more I learn about them, the more I realize there is a lot more to learn. I was going to avoid the GM family for awhile as I jump head first into the "M1 carbine hobby" (I have 2 Standard Products, one CMP RG IBM as well as a SG Underwood & hopefully a SG Rockola on order), but this might make an interesting opportunity. It will be later on Thursday before I will be able to get in touch with the owner & see what happens. I will sure let everybody know the results. Thanks again and if anybody is looking for a Standard Products, I know a guy.....

[Maniac]

S'G' seems to have it's own mystique for many of the reasons that were discussed on this thread. They are scarcer than even Rock-Ola so if you're going to acquire a GM gun it's a good one to start with. I hope you realize we expect a full report complete with pix if you do buy it.