When it really happens: SHTF...

[Aragorn243]

Some weird information circulating around here concerning the danger of the corona virus. Not sure what to make of it. Supposedly the model everyone is basing their reactions on came from a group at the Imperial College of London which showed 500,000 deaths in the UK and 2.2 million dead in the US has been revised to 20,000 or fewer in the UK and that health systems are not likely to be overwhelmed. I would think Italy and Spain would dispute this just a bit.

In any case, Trump's team leader now seems to be supporting this revised theory. Meanwhile, articles are coming out wondering why Los Angeles has a much less severe problem than NYC. In the article it's staring them in the face but they refuse to accept that the delay and poor leadership in NY is the primary cause.

Nothing much changed here. Our county infected number rose to 21. What I find puzzling is that Pennsylvania's testing is showing the vast majority tested do not have it. This is puzzling because they aren't supposed to test unless you are showing symptoms. We have roughly 1600 cases and 16,000 have been tested and do not have it. 16 have died which is 1% of those that get it which is pretty high compared to the flu but again, we don't know how many have it but never get tested because they are not severely sick. So basically only 1 in 11 that have been tested with symptoms is coming back positive. I've not noticed anyone else actually reporting negative test results so don't know if this is significant or not. So what did those 16,000 have, the flu?

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[Flying10uk]

500,000 deaths in the UK

My understanding is that this figure was calculated on the basis of what could have happened before the UK government changed it's policy to "stay at home". Initially the policy was to "allow" healthy people to simply catch the virus in the hope of obtaining "herd immunity" but then it was realised that if this policy was pursued hospitals would likely be inundated with shed loads of casualties and so government policy "evolved".

Although the UK now has the "stay at home" policy many people are still expected to work. This means that unless you are able to work from home or are able to grow very long arms, you may still have to go into work. The UK is slightly different from many other countries in that it hasn't stopped all "non essential work". This could still happen, of-course, if the UK government deemed it desirable in order to control the virus.

[CINDERS]

Not going to say much but there was a Doctor on F/B explaining the size of China and a tiny little speck where Wuhan and the famed fish market with bat wing and not 20 miles from there is apparently China's Class 4 pathogen facilty amazingly SARS also originated from somewhere near there as well.
Our Govt shut down our gunshops as of midday today thank goodness I have squirelled very well over the last 2 years I have enough on tap to make people of ill intent's day a very bad one indeed, very sadly the fuel theives have been hitting our farmers as if things are not bad enough, I would be very wary of doing anything like that as farmers are apt to shoot first and ask later which I agree with b*gger them turn the baddies into compost.

Yesterday 2 people were badly injured near here riding dirt bikes on a track blind corner and rode flat chat into an excavator. Long story short the owners had put markers there and were going back today but theives removed the markers from the track and along came the bikes Bang!. Chopper called airlifted out, police and firies in attendance. Not to be detered the theives came back and drained the diesel from the tanks others in another town not far from us are bringing fuel pods to servo's. This is so sad for our country which prided itself in the helping hand to complete strangers not now though. I agree with 22sqnRAE's multiculturism blending, the Aussie I knew all those years ago when working on the land in the bush has gone and along with it a tradition that I hold dear to my heart this is so very sad indeed.

All I can do is provide what I can for my family and keep them safe we are at Defcon 2 now with the theiving, the regions are now being locked down no unessential travel as of 23:59 31/03/2020 you cannot cross out of your region unless going to your work the Govt is calling this Phase 2 of 4, Rottnest Island is now a quarantine island and hotels are being commandeered for isolations, the army has being mobilised to help the police but cannot arrest people just monitor and inform the police of isolation breakers people have already been fined $0000's for not being compliant.
The stock market is gearing up for an assault from China as already they have been apparently buying up stuff even before it gets to auction the govt should freeze all stockmarket and land dealings period stopping takeovers at dead bottom prices.

Sadly the worst is coming, to all of you keep safe and look after your loved ones

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Watch the water pressure with that set up, or you may end up with freckles!

[Ovidio]

I think looters or other criminals exploiting tragedies (we have gipsies breaking into hospitalised elder people's houses and occupying them at the moment) should be dealt with in a drastic way.
No need to explain it further.

[CINDERS]

Yesss Sir Ovidio I agree 130%

[mrclark303]

Yesss Sir Ovidio I agree 130%

Seconded ...

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So you see we're hooped then. The protective animal inside us will keep us on duty to the end. We'll be taking care of those dear to us...

And seconded again ....

[Patrick Chadwick]

I belong to that group of "older people with pre-existing conditions" who are more endangered than the average and likely to lose out when it comes to triage.

So this is not a joke, not a rant, but a serious attempt to think through what is obviously going wrong. I may be in error, but if I am right, then THIS IS AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR EVERYBODY - ESPECIALLY OVIDIO.

The death rate in Italy suggests that the " social distance" and lock-down precautions are NOT working as expected. And I do not think it can be explained away just by people sneaking out to have a drink with friends.

There is one place where everybody is allowed to go - and handle goods that have been handled by other people!

THE SUPERMARKETS (and any other food shops).

It does not matter if you wear a diving suit with breathing apparatus and enter the shop singly. You will be picking up goods that have been handled by other people. Lots of other people. And it does not matter how hygienically the goods have been packed - the packaging itself may have been contaminated on the outside surfaces.

So you come home, take off your protective gear, and then ... unpack the goods, thus touching the contaminated exterior ... and then touch the goods themselves, thus transferring the contamination to the goods.

How to avoid, or at least reduce this risk?

In the shops, a simple "fingering" prohibition on the lines of "you touch it, you buy it" would be sensible, but probably unenforcable.

More effective would be a check on all customers entering a shop that they are wearing disposable gloves - plus the fingering prohibition. No gloves - no admittance.

But some skinflints will cheat with gloves that they have used over and over. Gloves that are themselves contaminated.

So I envisage shops supplying gloves at the door. BTW, I have read that there is (or about to be) a shortage of disposable gloves.

I won't continue unnecessarily, as I think the participants here can work out the consequences themselves. Basically, one needs to think it through all the way from shop to table. Assume that everything you acquire is surface-contaminated - even ammo!

Sorry if this all seems long-winded, but that is OK if it helps anyone.

Keep healthy - and take these precautions.

Patrick

[GeeRam]

Yes, this is a problem, and I'm lucky in now having a garage, and when I plan my next supermarket run early next week, I will be doing it before I need any of the contents, and I will be leaving the bag and its contents in the garage for 72 hours, and spray distinfecting the plastic frozen packets before taking inside.
Funnily enough, I was reading advice on the BBC website this afternoon, giving more or less the same advice.
This is much more of a problem if you are a city dweller and have to go out every few days to get food and essentials.

[browningautorifle]

I've already been doing such, having been instructed in NBCW decades ago. That would be Nuclear, BIOLOGICAL, Chemical warfare... I bring everything home and wash handleables such as apples with soap and water...yes they can be... Use Lysol wipes on milk containers, things with packaging that has to stay, and cut the other things out of their trappings to go into a container/bag from in the house. I wear surgical gloves that used to be for gun cleaning. I use alcohol that was for cleaning my glasses, just purchased in bulk. I have Lysol wipes by the case because that's how I've been used to buying them. I decontaminate the car inside and touch areas outside...it's just like we'd been through the cold war training again... I focus on what was touched like a crook wiping down everything touched for prints. I stood back years ago and noticed how dirty many people were that were shopping for food and the fact that they touched EVERYTHING whether they needed to or not. I've been washing things down for years...

So, I have to agree with Patrick...

Assume that everything you acquire is surface-contaminated

I load my own ammo so...

[Surpmil]

Interesting isn't it how the most obvious question: what can people do to improve their immune response, and therefore their ability to survive this without medical intervention, is utterly absent from media coverage?

It is clearly impossible for China to have suddenly contained this pandemic by conventional methods, or else other countries could do the same.

So they are either concealing what is really going on, or using methods that are not being reported here.

One of the things not being reported is the use of intravenous Vitamin C in China. I have also seen evidence of good success with some traditional herbal treatments there also.

It was both hilarious and pathetic that while toilet paper sold out, vitamins were in plentiful supply, and still are.

It is obviously wise to do all possible to prevent infection by isolation and hygiene etc., but this is clearly difficult. More important is what can we do to improve our immune response on our own?

The answer is the same common-sense measures that worked to improve health before this crisis and will long after it is gone.