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Frank, no rush, maybe a photo of the side profile and bottom
Thannks, Robert
Here are the Sides
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I found my link was dead and resulted in a 404 error in my earlier post.
I added a new link to May 1942 FM23-7 to it and am adding it here:
FM 23-7 U.S. Carbine, Caliber .30, M1 1942 : United States. War Department : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
It will show the center pin is supposed to line up with the back edge of the short leaf when upright.
I've compared the illustration in the FM to real Flip Sights I have loose and installed. Very hard to tell, because spring tension varies.
Appears the back edge of the bases pin hole lines up.
But doesn't appear like the center of the pin hole will.
Hope this makes sense.
I still ask:
Were all Flip Leafs made with the 5 sided/edged bottom?
Or were some made like the example #2 with 4 pivot sides ?
Anyone know of a schematic / drawing of Leaf ?
I'm really tempted to take a couple different makers apart to see.
5 Side ? 4 Side ? Or both ?
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I see that this has Wide and Narrow Radius. I'm sure you probably looked through this one already.
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Charlie, It seems like a guy could tell if 4 or 5 sides by whether the flip feels like it "wants" to stay firmly at the "half-way" position, or not. Maybe that's what you meant by "hard to tell because spring tension varies"? Could it be the difference you felt is in the size of the flat between the two types, and not a difference in spring pressure? I've got (4) that are original and still on the Carbines. Behind here on other "stuff" and hate trying to get them out of the safe right now. Maybe could at least check one of them tomorrow. None of them have marked leaves, though. - Bob
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Originally Posted by
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Charlie, It seems like a guy could tell if 4 or 5 sides by whether the flip feels like it "wants" to stay firmly at the "half-way" position, or not
Bob, I Have 5 or 6 and a couple of them are Very Hard to Flip. Does this mean someone removed the L and added a different one to the Base and by doing so made it that tight ?
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Frank, I don't know the answer to that. I've never taken one apart. When I had one of the carbines out of the safe awhile back, I noticed the tall "flip" was up on it. Couldn't figure out how it got that way, but must have been someone looking at it when on display at a gun show. I didn't noticed anything out of the ordinary when I changed it back. I'll go check a couple of them soon, and see if I can tell any differences. - Bob
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Originally Posted by
USGI
hate trying to get them out of the safe right now
I've got a loose Rock Ola and Inland with WSI marked leaf, forget the Rock Ola markings.
Wait...... I found the picture from a old post here. The RMC Flip is a RR base and A-R leaf. Those were among the last parts I needed to restore a RMC 1,713 back in 09 that I still haven't put together !
You'll see the RMC leaf is crusty and have wanted to change it.
Prolly why I didn't finish it up.
Also have 3-4 sight bases, extra springs, pins and 3 or 4 unmarked leafs that I need to check to see if they're like the 4 sided one in the picture above. 1 leaf was from RCS and in my bed side table drawer still in the package he sent a ~year ago with a S'G' bolt, S'G' Firing pin, S'G' extractor and a Magcatch.
I need to get better organized. All my 'Smalls' are in Ammo boxes, crates, plano cases and a couple old dressers downstairs full of USPS priority boxes. The extra stocks and handguards are the hardest to store. I have boxes so the stocks lay flat and boxes that printer paper comes in full of hand guards.
@Bob USGI:
If I try digging out part boxes that are tucked away all over this place right now after she's cleaned and decorated the last few days for Thanksgiving, I know I'll be booted to the curb! She's got that LOOK if you know what I mean.
@ Frank,
I haven't seen that Flip sight chart. Is it from Larsons book ?
If so thats why I haven't seen it. I refuse to send any $$ the way of L&S
Here's the picture of the RMC Parts and a old link back to them:
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=15959
Happy Thanksgiving All
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Usually when a flip is hard to move, it is because the base has been squeezed. If the wings of the base can be spread ever so slightly, the leaf will move much more freely.
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Charlie, the sight flip chart is out of Harrison's book.
When they tell you to behave, they always forget to specify whether to behave well or badly!
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Originally Posted by
painter777
I've got a loose Rock Ola and Inland with WSI marked leaf, forget the Rock Ola markings.
Wait...... I found the picture from a old post here. The RMC Flip is a RR base and A-R leaf. Those were among the last parts I needed to restore a RMC 1,713 back in 09 that I still haven't put together !
You'll see the RMC leaf is crusty and have wanted to change it.
Prolly why I didn't finish it up.
Also have 3-4 sight bases, extra springs, pins and 3 or 4 unmarked leafs that I need to check to see if they're like the 4 sided one in the picture above. 1 leaf was from RCS and in my bed side table drawer still in the package he sent a ~year ago with a S'G' bolt, S'G' Firing pin, S'G' extractor and a Magcatch.
I need to get better organized. All my 'Smalls' are in Ammo boxes, crates, plano cases and a couple old dressers downstairs full of USPS priority boxes. The extra stocks and handguards are the hardest to store. I have boxes so the stocks lay flat and boxes that printer paper comes in full of hand guards.
@Bob USGI:
If I try digging out part boxes that are tucked away all over this place right now after she's cleaned and decorated the last few days for Thanksgiving, I know I'll be booted to the curb! She's got that LOOK if you know what I mean.
@ Frank,
I haven't seen that Flip sight chart. Is it from Larsons book ?
If so thats why I haven't seen it. I refuse to send any $$ the way of L&S
Here's the picture of the RMC Parts and a old link back to them:
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=15959
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSC05204-1.jpg
Happy Thanksgiving All
No Charlie its not from him, The other day I was looking through All my books for something I needed to know and I just remembered when looking through Harrison's "The M1 Carbine 3" I had remembered seeing 2 pages of different sizes of Flip Sights and explanations. The References like 1-10 and A-D are on the next page, but I didn't take a picture of it and put it with the one I did because I didn't know if this was going to help you or not.
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imntxs554
Harrison's
Thx guys,
Another book I've never seen. After hearing about the messed up Crossed Cannons Template and mis-information I figured starting out with the Ruth-Dow and Riesch books were good enough for starters.
Happy Thanksgiving Boys !
PS: a small bolt with nut screwed on it placed between the inside walls of a flip base, then using 2 pairs of needle nose backed the nut off slowly. Spread it just enough to ease the binding of the leaf. I had placed a small piece of card stock between each side so I didn't scar the inner base walls. Bubba had whacked it pretty hard, but this fixed it with no further damage. Sometimes you get lucky!
Last edited by painter777; 11-24-2020 at 09:29 PM.
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