Photograph of rare Canadian Telescopic Rifles from WWII (Expert opinions wanted)

[Brian Dick]

If memory serves, I think rifles with the C No.67 scope numbered 150 or so not counting the experimental types which was only 10 or 12. The Trade Pattern rifles with the Lyman Alaskans numbered 350. Don't quote me here maybe someone more knowledgeable on the production figures can comment. You out there Clive?

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[Badger]

About 350 Trade Patterns according to Clive …

1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch TP (Trade Pattern) Sniper Rifle

… and 20 Experimental's in total of different styles ..

1943-44 Enfield No.4 Mk1* Experimental Long Branch 'Scout' Sniper Rifle

Regards,
Doug

[Peter Laidler]

350 Lymans........... So they're not exactly rare then? Had a PM about the 'special' butts. Has anyone done them on a copy lathe or thought about it?

[paulseamus]

Breakeyp

Would be very interested to see a few photographs of your butt stock steel master.

I find the pre-cnc technology fascinating.

Hopefully you are able to post some pictures.

Cheers

Paul

[Peter Laidler]

I haven't seen the steel 'master' of course but that's what you'd need for a large run. But due to the slight overhang of the cheek rest part, it'd have to be done in two stages - plus the internals of course.

To do a few butts you'd just use a perfect original as the master and 'wrap' it to preserve............... anyway it ain't my concern as they say!

[RJW NZ]

Awesome picture, some history right there, thank you for posting.

I can't help wondering how the gent with the coke bottle glasses, they're almost literally so, could be in a course like this, wouldn't eyesight issues like this be too much conflict with the needs of a sniper, and wouldn't those lenses be a fogging up risk up or ? Sorry if its not PC to ask, I just mean them as the practical questions. He must have got a lot of ribbing too, they look ... well... terrific. And,, the gent with the cut back rifle? Terrific unibrow, looks so intense he can probably do 1 moa at 1,000 yards before he concentrates.
Interesting crowd.

[Cantom]

Note though that the gent with the coke bottle glasses is also wearing one of the white smocks. Would this not indicate he was doing the same things the rest of them were?

edit: later on read that the people in the back row were spotters.

Awesome picture, some history right there, thank you for posting.

I can't help wondering how the gent with the coke bottle glasses, they're almost literally so, could be in a course like this, wouldn't eyesight issues like this be too much conflict with the needs of a sniper, and wouldn't those lenses be a fogging up risk up or ? Sorry if its not PC to ask, I just mean them as the practical questions. He must have got a lot of ribbing too, they look ... well... terrific. And,, the gent with the cut back rifle? Terrific unibrow, looks so intense he can probably do 1 moa at 1,000 yards before he concentrates.
Interesting crowd.

[Surpmil]

Had my REL-produced Tel., Signaller's telescope out the other day, along side the REL T.O.S. The former is beautifully made and finished, and in very good condition, but what a pain to use: if you hold the main body and try to focus you often end up pushing in the second draw, not the first; even when turning the eyepiece and first draw in the approved manner. If you rest the body of the scope you can use two hands to hold the first and second draws, but rest it on what, where? The T.O.S. is totally different: eyepiece focusing like a binocular or a modern spotting scope and short enough to hold and use comfortably with two hands, much lighter, more rigid and with a wider field of view and a longer sun shade. No comparison. The water-resistance would be the icing on the cake. The folding stand made it easy to set on a particular spot with precision and have it stay there, or to pan along a plane.

[Cantom]

I agree with Surpmil. I own both scope types and greatly prefer the T.O.S. over the earlier design.
The tripod is quite the little piece of engineering!

I had a hell of a time laying my hands on one of the tripods. Finally got the tripod through a favour from twincamharley. The scope was easier.

I also have an earlier version of the T.O.S. that a gent I know got at a government auction in Toronto. It came with one of the wooden R.E.L. tripods.

BTW, I need one of the scope tins for the R.E.L. T.O.S. scope. Does anyone have an extra they'd part with?

[Brian Dick]

I had the same observation RJW. Guys with glasses aren't sniper candidates. I'd guess he's an Armourer!