Sales of fake stamps or other services ....

[bearbadge]

I don't follow you on that??? Those guys are all great sellers of quality stuff except for Numrichs and Sarco. I have bought some not so good stuff from them.

Yes, I really love all these sellers but they either sell reproduction parts or services. Isn't that what we're against? You just can't tell this stuff from original without real effort. Reproduction Butt plates, slings, gas trap parts, cartouches, eye cups, these guys sell this stuff.

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[bearbadge]

Those guys are all great sellers of quality stuff. The repop parts they sell they put out there as such. They sell great parts except for Numrichs and Sarco. I have bought some not so good stuff from them. I think you take what I'm saying out of context and literally. I think I get your point though.

I am very very sorry if I took you out of context, I really am. I just don't know that I can support anything but an all or nothing ban of these humpers. I've been taken on reproduction butt plates and reproduction M1D scope rings. The people who sold them to me may well have purchased them from one of these sellers. I feel like we cannot make a distinction between any humper. A humper is a humper no matter what they are trying to pass off or who they are. Some may even make a case for reproduction oprod springs but I wouldn't go that far.

[mh53gunner]

Could someone please help me out. The discussion is about humped stamps and/or parts...right?

If it is not acceptible to stamp reproduction cartouches, why would it be OK to sell reproduction parts?
So if someone advertises the stamp is a reproduction, then is that OK?

What happens to all of the reproduction parts that are installed? If a reproduction spring is used, gas plug, barrel band or any other part is installed and the rifle is sold, are those parts advertised as reproduction?

I have seen gas trap rifles being sold without any mention as to replacement reproduction parts.
Clarfication please.

[snapperm1c]

Sad fact is, in 10 years nobody will really be able to tell the diference between repro cartouches/real, or lots of other parts. Even the CMP is becoming an unreliable source...

SN1

[Badger]

A follow up point on a similar subject, from an old conversation elsewhere on the Internet ...

Personally, I'm in favor of openly publishing opinions about questionable material and links to auctions or sales that may contain them ....

Here's why …

Back in the 1960's and 70's, I used to seriously collect old British military medals that were impressed on the rims named to individual soldiers. The material could get quite expensive when you're talking things like "Charge of the Light Brigade", "Battle of Waterloo" etc....

Unfortunately, fakers started producing stuff that was very hard to distinguish from the originals and in my opinion, seriously affected the marketplace and collector confidence. It got so bad, I sold off almost all my collection and got out of the hobby. Still have a "Waterloo" medal and a few Boer War medals, but the rest went...

We never had the Internet in those days and if we did, I bet it would have helped a lot of collectors avoid ending up with fakes, if they had a place they could have posted pics of an expensive item for some of the more experienced collectors to comment upon, before they bought or bid an auction.

Just my opinion, but I'd like to see a "Counterfeit Forum" and have seriously thought about opening up one in the Knowledge Library, where links to threads about fakery could be accumulated from around the net and concentrated in a single venue.

My two cents, for what it's worth ...

Regards,
Badger

[Joe W]

I don't have a problem with parts made (reproduced) that will improve the rifle for it's intended purpose, shooting. Or parts that are no longer available, such as gas trap parts. But things such as phony cartouche stampings, bother me. I see no reason for them other than to defraud. If not now, certainly in the future. Thats only my feelings others may feel different.