I found a Triggerguard for my NPM

[Tired Retired]

Educate the buyer not the seller.

I'll second that...

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[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Any club, or forum for that matter, is like a community. Made up of members with varied experiences and knowledge.

I wouldn't say "just a clubs newsletters". You might be surprised as to who are contributing members in the Carbine Club. Some of it's members have authored most mentioned books on this forum. "War Baby Comes Home" for one is often mentioned here. Listed in it's bibliography are over two pages that show Carbine Club newsletters as the reference. "The M1 Carbine Owners Guide" recognizes, The Carbine Club, and The Michigan Carbine Club, in it's acknowledgements.

Any book takes years to compile it's information in the format desired. It's a huge undertaking. Not just from the books author but requiring input from varied sources. And as such gives acknowledgments to numerous people. I wouldn't be surprised to see Brian's, or some other names, clubs, listed in upcoming books. I look forward to any and all Carbine books to add to my library. I hope a new one comes out soon.

If someone asks a question on this forum, and gets an answer they don't like or agree with, then try something else. Maybe the CMP forum. Or the other Carbine forum. Buy or borrow books from someone and read up on it yourself. Maybe you will come to a different conclusion then the answer you received. Then you can share your thoughts and opinions with others. Discussions are what makes a forum or club succeed.

[Tired Retired]

I believe Sakorick's request is genuine and actually fair. Unfortunately, as we all know, alot of the finer details of carbine collecting does go FORMALLY unpublished. Yes, the collecting community does have several VERY knowledgeable members (Brian, Bruce, Paul, Jim, - just to name a very few) who are going to take alot of their knowledge and expertise to the grave with them. I have given up hinting and suggesting that certain people write an authoritative book or two. (They won't even listen to the point that you won't need social security with a best seller!) While the CC newletters are great for information, they are not a formal reference - my future grandkids could not use them as an acceptable reference in a term paper in school.

Yes, like so many other semi-serious carbine collectors, I am waiting for certain old farts to die off in hopes that they will leave carbines, paperwork AND their brains to me in their last will and testiment! At that point I plan on publishing a detailed book or two and living without worrying about social security collapsing.

Sakorick, my friend, until that point in time comes, you and I are stuck doing our best to learn what we can without a formal reference. I do agree that you can probably sell your N9 for the cost of a N16 housing. I understand the strong desire to go prove the "supposive expert" wrong because you trusted what he said when he sold it to you. That has happened to ALL of us AT LEAST once - and that is why this group of guys here work so hard to be so open and honest. As far as you having to know the exact range in order to fairly sell it, I wouldn't be worried about it. You are being honest to tell everyone that your N9 was not right for your serial. Those who are looking specifically for the N9 will know that they need the N9 because they would have read the newsletters and ask the experts!

Hope you find one in great condition, just take your time and ask questions if any come to mind. These guys are great - even if they are old and cranky. (Ok, Paul is not THAT old)

[Wulf]

Paul is pretty old.

[usgicollector]

I'm not. I'm only 31

[Rustship]

Sakorick,

I have this one if you need one, just PM me and I will give you price and postage amount, I do not need it anymore

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

There you go, problem solved with Rustship's TH.

[Tired Retired]

My point is based on two things. First, published material is what is accepted by both legal authorities (courts) and educational institutions as documentable information. Right or wrong, it requires someone to sign their name on it as "the expert". General knowledge and experience does not meet the same standards without the formal documentation. In truth, who does a better job of fixing your car - the young kid at the dealership with the certificates or ole Billybob who worked on your Dad's truck for years? The courts say its the kid with the certificates. I am the first to point out that many published authors don't know their A$$ from a hole in the ground. Anyone remember Dr. Benjamin Spock and his book book entitled "Baby and Child Care"? Thank you Dr Spock for ruining a whole generation of kids!

Second, if you don't like the printed books with all the errors or dated information - then put out something better. I'll buy it - so will others. Take the information to the grave with you and both my AND your grandkids will lose out.

No one has all the information, no one knows everything about carbines, and none of us were the people in the program that produced them 65 years ago. The further away that we get from 1944 the less and less accurate the information will be. Some guys have spent a lifetime learning and collecting - these carbines and their history (remembered right or wrong) will out live us all.