Walmart decides not to fight a second Battle of the Wilderness

[arado]

Hate to break your heart but have been to Hong Kong and China buying product and the way money is saved is with cheap labour NOT computerized machines. I have seen it with my own eyes and really know why things are cheaper from China. One day China will become expensive like every country that has a population that demands more in wages, benefits abd standard of living.

China has a major problem right now due to their stupidity in allowing only one child per family. This law is now catching up with them as there are not enough workers and a lack of females to marry and have a child. Give the situation another 10 years and it will be a disaster.
Labor costs are rising in China and will outstrip productivity in a few years. Unions (communist) are now in China and these people want a better standard of living so costs have to rise.

All the factories I bought from were clean, neat and with workers who had very good working conditions otherwise I wouldn't even consider purchasing from them.

Yes computerized machinery is used to make moulds etc but it is hands on labour that make the product you buy. If you think you can make a product with a computerized machine with a cost of 10 cents please reconsider.

You have not been to a submarine, car, aircraft or motorcycle factory. All of which China out produces every nation. Automated production. gary

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[enfield303t]

You have not been to a submarine, car, aircraft or motorcycle factory. All of which China out produces every nation. Automated production. gary

Realistically the Chinese don't make submarines or aircraft for America or any of its allies.

Walmart hasn't been in the military business that I know of. Jobs lost in the world to China are in clothing, household smallwares,electronics and the list is endless.

They may make a good car somday but I am not going to hold my breath. The reliable cars in China are things like Buick etc, and saw very few cars like their home grown Cherry... a bit of a piece of junk.

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I think Walmart saw what the people wanted, so they moved on, nothing wrong with that.
As far as all the other comments about buy "made in USA" and why so many US job's have left this country, That's easy.....it's the union's, and it's going to stay this way untill these parasite's are gone. JMHO.

Well unions have been problems all over the world but have done lots of good for lots of people. It was a union that overthrew the gov't in Poland, yes ship builders. Have been to where the UNION started solidarity in Gdansk and give them (union) full credit for the collapse of a commie gov't.

Personally have never worked in a union but have worked in management where they existed and never had a problem, they are far from perfect but without them I do believe big business would have everyone they could working for starvation wages. Without unions in the USA many could not afford your health care system or would not qaulify.

Unions are not all bad just as employers are not all bad.

[lboos]

I think Walmart saw what the people wanted, so they moved on, nothing wrong with that.
As far as all the other comments about buy "made in USA" and why so many US job's have left this country, That's easy.....it's the union's, and it's going to stay this way untill these parasite's are gone. JMHO.

[vintage hunter]

I assume you mean labor unions? What do they have to do with our jobs going overseas?

[lboos]

Yes i mean labor unions, They were needed back in the 20s and 30s, but today they are like buggy whip's, they are no longer of any use, this country has many labor law's that protect the workers, the unions feel that some one with little training that work's on an assy. line putting hub caps on a car should make outrageous wages and his hosp. insur. be paid by his employer and that the members will have a job for life or they will grab up their little sign's saying honk if you like unions "were on strike." they have run the price of making anything so high that co's have to go out of this country to stay in busness. the union member's never step back and take a look at the nice home they live or the two or three cars setting in the drive way... that's auto. suposed to be there "because they belong to the union", and they pay their due's....I have nothing agenst the hard working people of this country, it's the due's hungry labor unions that's got this country were it is today.
Just a few mo's ago the teacher's union got their underware in a wad because their health insur. co. was not going to pay for their viagra any more.
I would love to go on, but i've taking up enough space, i think you get the idea.
Please buy American, if their's anything made here anymore. JMHO.

[enfield303t]

Strange I was in a city of MILLIONS and everyone I inquired about (every worker, employee, waitress, waiter et all) or talked to only had one child....the reality is they are short of workers and the loop holes may exist on paper but not in reality for the great majority of Chinese.
A large number of the men were single.

The Chinese birth rate is actually 1.21% and has been under 1.4% for many years and I will stick to my statement that they are running out of people to work and the birth rate is in more trouble from the lack of females.

A society can not sustain its existance with a birth rate of 1.21% (the minimum requirement if 2.11%) the most optomistic figures put the birth rate at 1.4% however no one thinks those figures are correct. The one child family and sex-specific abortions are going to eliminate millions of Chinese men from ever having a wife which just exacerbates the problem. Without a birth rate of 2.11% the balance needs to be made up by immigration and we all know that mainland China is not really into immigration.

In 2005 there were 119 males born for every 100 females, and in some areas the rate was 130 to 100 females. Do the math, it is not working and it is going to be a bigger disaster in another 32 years.

They started the policy in 1979 and after 32 years it is a major problem and what they publish as to how many children you are allowed and what is reality in China are two different things. The Gov't wants to appear to be more "family friendly" but it is all a smoke screen.

In regard to the cost of having two children, well how about the latest story that was published in the last couple of weeks...second child, female...fine 232,400.00 CNY.... $35,000.00 Canadian.

[arado]

IN THIS country the farmers had large families to do the work. Now they have a GPS guided John Deere. Go to the Corn Belt and watch. gary

[vintage hunter]

Don't have to go that far, there's thousands of them right here in S.C.

[Dimitri]

Strange I was in a city of MILLIONS and everyone I inquired about (every worker, employee, waitress, waiter et all) or talked to only had one child....the reality is they are short of workers and the loop holes may exist on paper but not in reality for the great majority of Chinese. .

And for many Chinese, having more then one kid since pre-one child policy was considered too much. The brithrate in the early 1970's was lower then it is today in China, due to the fact that for many people, having a child was considered a burden.

Funny thing is, for many people in Canada and the US, like other developed countries, people think having kids is too much of a burden so they stopped having them. We just labelled them as "career" people, but the fact remains.

A society can not sustain its existance with a birth rate of 1.21% (the minimum requirement if 2.11%) the most optomistic figures put the birth rate at 1.4% however no one thinks those figures are correct. .

A society's self sustainability depends on many factors, not just brith rate. Take Canada for example, not only do we have a LOWER brith rate then China, we also have a higher death rate. In the end, only immegration helps us keep up alittle. And not by much considering.

The Chinese population increases by 0.494% a year, (including all factors), or 6.57 million people a year, where as the Canadian population is at 0.804% or a mere 270 thousand people.

In 2005 there were 119 males born for every 100 females, and in some areas the rate was 130 to 100 females.

I would like to see that high number from somewhere factual, CIA WFB lists:

• at birth: 1.14 male(s)/female
• under 15 years: 1.17 male(s)/female
• 15-64 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
• 65 years and over: 0.93 male(s)/female
• total population: 1.06 male(s)/female (2010 est.)

The Gov't wants to appear to be more "family friendly" but it is all a smoke screen..

The girlfriend/fiance, comes from a family of 5 childern (born in China), and her older siblings already have multipul kids each. So I really don't know what kind of smoke screen your talking about?

In regard to the cost of having two children, well how about the latest story that was published in the last couple of weeks...second child, female...fine 232,400.00 CNY.... $35,000.00 Canadian.

I'd love to see that in writting, however my bet is that that was more about the curruption of fines for multipul kids then anything. Then again there are Chinese making 60+ thousand USD a year in China, so a 35,000$ fine for some may be appropriate. Too many variables without factual numbers and reasons for why that happened.

Dimitri

[enfield303t]

Dmitri..all the numbers I quoted were found by searching the internet. Regardless of what anyone thinks the problem is the Chinese Gov't telling you how many children you are allowed to have. It is wrong and nothing they can say or do will every make it right.

People need to be able to determine how large their family will be, not the gov't and that is the problem of living in China when the Gov't goes so far as to control everything you do.

The story of the fine was on the internet in a news story a week or so ago. Regardless whether the fine was due to corruption or not the bottom line is it was still imposed.

I guess if China is such a wonderful place to live why was there such a migration of citizens from Hong Kong to Canada in the years before China took over, I am guessing it was because they all knew what a bunch of BS was imposed on the population in mainland China and were scared spitless it would happen in HK.

Heck my son's friends from university (Mainland Chinese studying here) told me the Gov't even lies to the world what the total population actually is. These two young men were from very privledged families with buckets of money with well connected parents, they were in the position of knowledge that most do not have.

There are some large families, unfortunately the birth rate of 1.21% proves there are very few large families nowadays.