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Great post of the Lyman TP and CNo67 brackets. Any idea of value..original and reproduction? I see the TP pic posted by "JMoore" has a roll pin staking the bracket...is this correct? Thought it would be a solid pin. What sizes are the screws? British
thread? Ron
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12-24-2012 02:36 PM
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They used solid taper pins and the screw threads are 4BA if I remember correctly. The ejector screw is also a longer variant as original.
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That's good info Brian. Thanks. Any idea on value? Checked ebay however no completed listing? General validation guidline would be helpful for anybody building a clone. I would imagine "the real deal" would cost you your left nut! Any pictures of the upper bracket as the TP is slanted and Cno67 flat? Is the CNo67 7/8" or 1" rings? Ron
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Not really sure of values now. I sold a complete, matching TP in 2001 for $6500. I'd guess one would bring $10,000 now with all the auction fever. The base and rings for the TP are 7/8" and were manufactured at REL if memory serves. The base and rings for the C67 is 1" and manufactured by Griffin & Howe. They don't interchange at all.
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Get a copy of Clive Law's book "Without Warning". A pretty good read. I'm wrong about the TP base and rings in my post above. They were manufactured at SAL Long Branch not REL.
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Great post of the Lyman TP and CNo67 brackets. Any idea of value..original and reproduction? I see the TP pic posted by "JMoore" has a roll pin staking the bracket...is this correct? Thought it would be a solid pin. What sizes are the screws?
British thread? Ron
Probably should notate each time I show these photos is that it was a faked (rather poorly) TP. But sold as genuine. I took a series of photos before it was returned. Don't recall either the seller nor fortunate "buyer"! He surely saved a bunch by waving under our noses first.
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I've got Law's book...it would be even better with some higher quality photo's...hard to see the detai....I know..costs money however good reference material is invaluable. Lyman TP's are well over $12500....saw one go for $16000 earlier this year in an auction. My guess on a bracket...repro $300 original $750 plus the upper and scope. Seen some suitable (coorect period and recticle) Lyman Alaskans got for $400 on ebay. Saw a numbered TP scope and bracket for $3500 on a site...was there for about 30 secs. Any other opinions? Ron
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Sorry these are a little hurried & may not be so sharp - but people may find them helpful. The SMLE with the G&H type rail is the one I alluded to previously. Sorry I never got round to starting a new thread. It's probably commercial (Warren, Peter, do you have any info on possible military experiments, maybe??), but doesn't the CNo67 sit on it beautifully?!?
Merry Xmas & ATB.
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To add a bit to Rogers photo essay and a bit more info on the repro base.
The repro base does fit the commercial G & H rings well, but is sloppy as "H" on the No.67 rings.
Bottom unit is an early G & H set of rings (possible trials use) and top unit is a set of original (as yet unassembled) 67 rings. Base is unknown and I have no documentation other than it came with the top end when I got it many years ago.
The early trials with the No.67 and the 32TPscopes used commercial mounts with scopes manufactured by REL at Leaside (Toronto) or Montreal and Lyman in the USA with the Alaskan. Mounts were made by S.A.L. (Small Arms Limited) according to records as well as commercial G & H mounts.
Records are very scarce on REL and S.A.L. therefore most of the info known is first hand from those involved at the time.
SO...bottom line on the repro base is it will fit the commercial G & H rings and was destined to be used on the No.4 to make up "a look alike sniper" however the back of the mount is not machined correctly.
I also forgot the Weaver 330 that was used during the trials but it was used on a Springfield rifle but does deserve honourable mention.
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Roger:
The base on the No.67 I have shown above appears to the be same base on your SMLE...Hmmmm, :-)##
I've got to pull the "junque box" out of "the shed"(tm) more often.
Private email on the way...
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That's interesting Warren, as the base shown in the white in the top photo is similar to that shown on my SMLE. I'm afraid I have no experience of the repro bases being offered on 'that auction site' but a couple of points are apparent from the photo's of the originals. Firstly, the C67 base I have appears to be fairly typical & came many years ago with the scope & rings. However, there are no holes present for the dowel pins - whether this is unusual, an early/late feature I don't know. Can you shed any light on this Warren? Secondly, I am sure I have read somewhere that the TP's started with rifle serial number 74L0001, when the serial 74L0000 on my rings is clearly visible - maybe it's pedantic, but it looks like the production run started at 74L exactly.
ATB
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