De Lisle carbine

[bigduke6]

You'll have to help me here because I don't see why not.

My mistake Beerhunter, have corrected original post it was section 7(1) I was referring to.

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[Beerhunter]

Not sure on the section 7(3) but If you did get a Section 7(1) for one , you cant have any other section 1, .45 ACP firearm.....

You are correct that if one has Section 7(1) firearms at home then one cannot keep any ammunition in their calibre(s) at home. However you can keep a pistol or revolver that would qualify for Section 7(1) as a Section 7(3). IN that case, one keeps the pistol or revolver at a "designated Site" and keep the ammunition for it at home.

It's a little academic for the De Lisle because .45ACP is "readily available in the UK" and therefore you can't have a De Lisle on Section 7(1) only Section 7(3). For example I own a Colt Government Model (a "commercial" M1911) in .45ACP and it has to be held on Section 7(3) at Bisley. However I hold the .45ACP ammunition at home.

[enfield303t]

I know where there is one, fondled it but it is not for sale and here in Canada would be very few who would have the correct lic. to buy it.

Sad.

[HOOKED ON HISTORY]

We are going to have to let this tread go dormant or I am going to have to find a repro. Very high Enfield "cool factor".

[Peter Laidler]

What a palava............. I wonder how they get away with sheer idiotic laws like this. As for the interpretations you could put on it all.................

[bigduke6]

What a palava............. I wonder how they get away with sheer idiotic laws like this. As for the interpretations you could put on it all.................

Thats just the icing on the cake........but it does allow old pistols to be still shot and to be held in a collection.

Just a question to Beerhunter and other section 7(1) 7(3) owners I always under the impression any age related pistol could be held on a section 7(1) ?? regardless of the availability of ammo as long as you dint have it in the house (the ammo) or is post 24 based on the De-Lisle ??

Must admit I,ve only recently got collectors slots on my FAC for a few Enfield's etc but am looking at section 7(1) and possibly 7(3) in the future, although the 7(3) may be a bit ambitious as I still cant hit a barn door with a BP pistol or a LBR.....

[Robert303]

You need to read the Guidance to the Police very carefully. It has just been re written. Here is the link

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...6_Nov_2013.pdf

At the start I had some pistols at Bisley on Sec 7.3. Not fully understanding the law I surrendered some that were made after 1919 that I could have kept. My police force allowed me to keep my old ammunition allocation at home. Strathclyde and a number of other forces imposed limits such as 10 rounds per calibre of pistol to be possessed at any time. Shooters were to reload on range. Some forces were easy to deal with others were complete bastards. I was lucky until some plod read the regulations before a renewal and ran into ammo trouble. Moved house to an area that had NO Sec 7.3 shooters and have now managed to extend the collection. However I have no sympathy for some so called shooters who cannot read / bother their arse to come up with a reasonable 'Theme for collection' etc. We were lucky to get Sec 7.3 at times it's a bit of a 'Game' but if you want to play, do it properly and do not screw it up for the rest of us.
In the new guidance Sec 9.42 and 9.43 refer to ammunition for Sec 7.1 and Sec 7.3 Firearms. To me it looks like they have seen sense and as I have no Sec 7.1 I will be asking my ploice force to change the conditions on my FAC to allow me to homeload and store ammo for my section Sec 7.3 pistols at home.

[Beerhunter]

Just a question to Beerhunter and other section 7(1) 7(3) owners I always under the impression any age related pistol could be held on a section 7(1) ?? regardless of the availability of ammo as long as you dint have it in the house (the ammo) or is post 24 based on the De-Lisle ??

The simple answer to your question is no.

A section 7(1) MUST have been made (the actual pistol or revolver) before 1919. This is hard-coded into the Act and there are no powers to vary it. Additionally, it MUST be of a calibre for which ammunition is not "readily available in the UK". The latter is based on a list of calibres published by the Secrtratery of state and includes: .45ACP, 9mm Para, .38 S&W, .38 Spec., etc.

There is a guy on another forum who has what he believes is a 1970s Hi Power (Its actually 1950s). I could never get my head around how he got it on 7.3 when its old, not rare or unique. I still don't understand it!

Simples! A Section 7(3) pistol or revolver does not have the hard-coded dateline of Section 7(1) and so it can be quite modern in some cases AS LONG AS it is of HISTORIC INTEREST. For example, a friend of mine has a SIG self-loading pistol of 1970s vintage on Section 7(3) because it was one of the trials pistols bought for British forces.

Historic interest justification for 7(3) can also be "as part of a collection", for example I am also allowed a High-Power because it is part of my Great War and Second World War collection of firearms and equipment. Another collector without my "theme" justification would not be allowed the SAME pistol on 7(3).

[Brit plumber]

There is a guy on another forum who has what he believes is a 1970s Hi Power (Its actually 1950s). I could never get my head around how he got it on 7.3 when its old, not rare or unique. I still don't understand it!

[Robert303]

Don't try to 'Understand it' just go for it. I managed a late 9mm Browning how I did it is my business. The clue is in the 'Collection'. So THINK!
British Army sidearms 1880 to 1980 any one?
The pistols of John Moses Browning?
Canadian sidearms in WW1 WW2 and Korea?
Use your brain, back it up with some decent research, a lot easier with the web. Know your stuff and sound credible and you have a good chance.
If your father and grandfathers served then it's might be a family connection that forms part of your collecting theme.