The M1 carbine in french

[mlr224]

Hello,
For those who are interested here is a link towards the first part of FM23-7 in French in PDF.
http://tirmontbeliard.free.fr/docume...ench_part1.pdf

[0311Shooter]

I also have a few French Rifles, bought about 10-12 years ago.

Have a few friends who when they see them they must utter a cuss word. I will have to admit that they are kinda ugly.

But, each and every one of them have TRIPLED in value since I bought them. Guess someone likes them.

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

1886lebel,

I see your point, but then you write replys in French, which others can not read. Which is an insult also.

[Sunray]

"...this type of stuff can offend him..." 1886lebel, I'm not French, but it's offensive just the same.
cafdfw, learn some history. Find some non-American history about W.W. II. The French 2nd Armoured Div.(General LeClerc's story alone will open your eyes) and the French Resistance(Chuck Yeager was saved by them) would be a place to start.
mlr224, it's most likely a Lend/Lease manual. Mind if I ask what you paid for it? Just curious.

[mlr224]

Sunray, I paid it 15 euro or approximately 20 USD at an old books trader in Paris.

[Harlan (Deceased)]

1886lebel,

I see your point, but then you write replys in French, which others can not read. Which is an insult also.

"...this type of stuff can offend him..." 1886lebel, I'm not French, but it's offensive just the same.
cafdfw, learn some history. Find some non-American history about W.W. II. The French 2nd Armoured Div.(General LeClerc's story alone will open your eyes) and the French Resistance(Chuck Yeager was saved by them) would be a place to start.
mlr224, it's most likely a Lend/Lease manual. Mind if I ask what you paid for it? Just curious.

Sunray, maplebacon, et al, I apologized at the beginning. I didn't want to respond to the continued insults, but I understand that I provided a situation for some people to make themselves feel better.

- It's apparent the situation has become a forum for some people to exercise their self righteousness; commenting repeatedly after my apology at the beginning. I GET IT, OK?

Sunray, (FWIW), I minored in Modern History; mostly the years of WWI – WWII – Korean ‘Conflict’-and on. I was interested in German activities leading up to WWII from the Weimar Republic to the takeover of the government by Hitler's Nazi party who destroyed the system of democracy of the Weimar Republic, which was very similar to our own system. One of the main reasons the Weimar Republic failed was the horrible economy at the time it was in place. Germany was hit harder by the Great Depression than any other nation because had many repayments etc from its defeat in WWII. The people were literally starving and fell for Hitler's promises and he took over. The economy actually did improve after he took over and the people really blindly got behind him.

* There are many similarities of what is going on in our own Government today. Many and I'm not being paranoid. As far as I will go with this, but the similarities of the details is so much like things going on presently, including gun registration and harsh enforcements. God, now he's proposing a 'National Police' - Brownshirts then the Schultz Staffel that started as Hitler's personal police unit, but grew to what it became later.

I often wonder if these classes are available to college students now.
My niece graduated with honors in 'Communications'. She went to a movie with me and afterward she asked questions about what lead up to Vietnam. I explained a very short rundown about Vietnam and the politics involved and she said they didn't have any references to the war years of modern times. She knew NOTHING about Vietnam, WWI, WWII and thought Germany and Japan were our allies because we do so much trade with them now. (Honest to God truth!)
As it says, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".
My niece voted for Obama just because she wanted 'change' as many other college students did who don't have a clue.

Sorry for the long post and getting off topic.

I contribute to the French unit of the Commemorative Air Force. They only have two small observation aircraft, but the unit has more spirit than most units I've visited in the US. I've written a few articles about the history of the CAF for them that have been used in their newsletter. I also send many current photos of local events. I'm in regular contact with members there and report flying activities in the US. I’ve met them each year as they visit my Unit and then a week later at the annual CAF 'AIRSHO'
I don't hate anyone. The French people I know are wonderful and very patriotic.

As I said before, please forgive me for using the old common joke. It meant no offense at all.

~ Harlan

[Harlan (Deceased)]

I also have a few French Rifles, bought about 10-12 years ago.

Have a few friends who when they see them they must utter a cuss word. I will have to admit that they are kinda ugly.

But, each and every one of them have TRIPLED in value since I bought them. Guess someone likes them.

0311Shooter,

I don't think I've seen many of the French Rifles from WWII. If I've seen them I didn't know what they were.
Would you mind posting some photos of what you have? They sound interesting.

Thanks,
~ Harlan

[Harlan (Deceased)]

I messed up one thing in my post with a typo. I should have written 'WWI"

-- One of the main reasons the Weimar Republic failed was the horrible economy at the time it was in place. Germany was hit harder by the Great Depression than any other nation because they had many repayments etc from its defeat in WWI. During the great depression German citizens were having to do anything for food. Inflation was unreal. Citizens had to literally take wheel-barrows of printed marks to buy a loaf of bread. The country was so poor it only printed money on one side of bills.

The Versailles treaty ruined Germany, but it was never really enforced by the nations that imposed it. The people were literally starving and fell for Hitler's promises and he took over. Hitler knew the Versailles treaty was unfair and he ignored the sanctions imposed and he began building a military force. The world did nothing to stop him. Chamberlain visited Germany just before Hitler invaded Poland and he saw the military buildup and aircraft but he was afraid and signed more worthless treaties thinking he had appeased Hitler. When Hitler defeated France he made them sign surrender documents in the same boxcar the WWI Versailles treaty was signed as a hateful gesture to the French.


The economy actually did improve after he took over and the people blindly got behind him. We've all seen the huge blind (strange) demonstrations that took place in the early years.

[Fredtheobviouspseudonym]

the French received a large amount of US war aid in the latter part of WW II.

In late 1944 the French had four divisions on the Western Front -- they occupied the line just north of Switzerland. In January 1945 the Germans staged an attack near Strasbourg (Lorraine, IIRC) and various guys at SHAEF were thinking of withdrawing and leaving the French citizens of that town (liberated some 2 months before) to the tender mercies of the SS and Gestapo. De Gaulle went nuts and told Ike that if the US Army tried to withdraw at least his French forces would stay and try to protect the city. Ike vetoed the plans and American and French forces fought off the German attack short of Strasbourg.

IIRC the US gave the French about a quarter-million rifles, mainly Models of 1917 and 1903 (probably A3). They probably sent them a certain number of M-1 carbines as well.

Since the late 19th Century the French term "carabine" was usually used for a shortened version of a full-size, full power rifle -- hence Carabine Mdl of 1892 (IIRC). Since the M-1 Carbine had no parts in common with the M-1 Rifle the use of the term "carabine" would have been confusing (IMHO) to French supply and ordnance officers. I suspect they called the M-1 the "Fusil M-1" and Mosqueton was a term for a shortened, lightened rifle -- appropriate for the US M-1 Carbine.

[jimb16]

I never had any problem with Free French Forces during WWII. They were active in most theaters of operations and performed admirably. They did quite well during our own revolution and There wasn't much to criticize about their performance during WWI either. Unfortunately, during the beginning of WWII, it was their leadership who let them down, not the soldiery. Poor tactics was the problem, not the willingness to fight or the courage of the individual.