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[Flying10uk]

I for one would be interested in a thread about the Chinese Bull-Pup rifle as I don't believe much is known about it.

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[gsimmons]

Wow! 88F in Billericay(used to live there)today! It was only 84 here in Hendersonville, NC.

[Sentryduty]

Alright, I will see about getting something together for you fellow to look at in a new thread.

[Vincent]

I've shot FALs, AK47s, M16 and SKS and the A2 was at least en par with the M16 and a ton better than the AK and SKS.

Those rifles were designed in the 40’s and 50’s. One would think a rifle designed 20+ years later could do better than par.

Have you shot the IWI Tavor? They are becoming quite popular down south.

I have never really liked polymer guns, bullpups or 5.56, but when I had an opportunity to shoot a Tavor I took it. Despite all those things I was very impressed. In fact I was so impressed that I bought a semi-auto version. The best way I can describe it is a “Glock rifle.” It’s very simple and well thought out. My only complaint is the trigger pull and it can be fixed.

I will hang on to my 7.62/.308 ARs but I will not be buying another AR15 as long as Tavors are available.

[Vincent]

How did he do?

[mrclark303]

With my own L1's Jim, it's going to get harder to keep them serviceable as the years go by, while there is an abundance of spares (one UK dealer has shipping containers waiste high with L1 parts), they are now reluctant to sell any for some reason.

Luckily,I acquired spare NOS cocking Handles, Hammer's, Hammer springs, ejector bocks and return springs among other parts, before the door was closed.

Interestingly, as Peter previously stated regarding UK buying spares from Lithgow, the NOS hammers and Hammer springs are Lithgow parts (all this gear is ex MOD).

Both rifles and my conversion kit have a good backup of unrestricted parts to keep them shooting for many years to come.

[Peter Laidler]

How did he do......? Not bad but he over-simplified it. He did however rightly explain that much of the problem now is the legacy of what went before. In other words, give a dog a bad name. Most, if not all of the problems had been identified but sort-of corrected in a haphazard, piecemeal fashion. H&K put them all together and corrected them as a FTR programme

[Brian Dick]

Sounds familiar Peter. Just look at the history of the AR15/M16 platform. People seem to forget that weapons are just another form of machinery. They are subject to upgrades and improvements as problems are found diagnosed and cured. Add in the human element and cheapest contractor/method mentality and it will create problems too that weren't envisioned by the design engineers. The ammo problem encountered in Vietnam with the early M16 variants comes to mind. Use up the powder that's left over for 7.62 production. That got some people killed and never should have happened. Some old veterans of the conflict still consider the M16 a POS when it really had nothing to do with the rifle!

[mrclark303]

I see 10 prototype L85 rebuilt and (modified) rifles have been assembled with a view to reworking the whole inventory.

New modified sand coloured receivers, refurbished and modified TMH'S, new forend, among other mods.

I would love to see what mods have been made to the new receiver. Apparently re-engineered to improve reliability and maintainability, I wouldn't be surprised if efforts have been made to reduce overall weight too.

I wonder whether this idea will be adopted, instead of buying a new rifle?

[Brit plumber]

That sounds like the A3 version. Also I've heard that the L85 is to be replaced in 202? Not in my remaining service time I suspect.