Robber fatally shot in Miami Burger King holdup

[Art]

...and I agree with you in principle Rick, which is why my carry gun is a Model 640 with 110 gr. .357's in it.

I think a person should carry the most powerful pistol he/she can control.

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[Dan Wilson]

I like my 45acp, it throws a lot of Kinetic energy into your target with a 230 grain slug BUT it wont over travel, and will readily stop when it hits something.

Dan

[Griff Murphey]

Reminds me of a simunition exercise (using blue Glocks that fire mini-paintball rds.) exercise they gave us in a 3-gun match at Tac Pro. This was a "Bank Holdup." A Fort Worth SWAT officer threw down his gun and said "No way!" - opted out. This type of scenario is not often appreciated by "open carry" advocates... By the way I opened fire on the bad guys and while I got one, I had a nice group built under my right armpit by them.

[Rick Gushman]

Gentlemen, I can't figure out the details of what occured from the article. All we know is that somehow a gunfight occured between a CPL holder and an armed robber in the middle of a fast food establishment with many bystanders. Multiple shots were exchanged and the only casualties were the CPL holder and the robber. Both particpants were wounded - one fatally. It is impossible to draw many firm conclusions from this sketchy informaion. We can infer that it was probably a less than ideal location to initiate an armed response to a hold-up but we know nothing about the potential motivation for the CPL holder to respond as he did. We do know that this incident bears out three things I have repeatedly stressed over the years - 1) don't expect an armed assailant to run away just because you confront him with a handgun (don't underestimate your opponent); 2) if shooting starts, your only protection is to disable your assailant before he injures of kills you; and 3) don't expect your assailant to be incapacitated by the first shot. Rick

[2571]

I certainly agree with Rick G. although I do not carry the kind or armament I suspect he does.

In answer to a recent castle doctrine comment. There's no law in the US that would hold you liable for damages incurred in defense of your own life. Such would be contrary to public policies and the very nature of our system of justice. The old common law felony murder was the solution to that problem -- the felons involved were liable for evils they could have logically foreseen. Similarly, the felon would have been liable civilly on the same type of transferred intent theories, not the innocent guy that had to protect himself.

Well, I've said enough. Glad the kids were ok. Glad the ccw holder didn't die. Glad the POS got wasted.