ATF Called......

[dobek]

I wonder what he will do / say about guns NOT on my bound book???

You see we are only required to record sales & purchases of C&R's AFTER you receive your license - not all the ones owned prior - - -

So does he only want to see the C&R's that correspond to the book? or is he snoping into your entire collection???

You may want to read : http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...7cfr478.23.htm

The regs that cover examination.....

Steve

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[jonnyc]

This comes up periodically on most gun sites.
I'm pretty sure that they can require you to show them any firearms in your bound-book, whether the inspection is at your home or their office. You only have to show weapons in the book. The appointment must be at your convenience, not their schedule. You can line your C&Rs up in your garage or other room, convenient for you, and not let them down into your inner-sanctum. You don't live in a place-of-business, and they can't inspect your house for all the security stuff required of 01 FFLs. You are not required to log C&R weapons into your book if you acquired them before you got the license, only if you are selling them while you have the license.
Does that cover everything?

[Cass]

On some of these audits they have asked to see only the book, but on others they have asked to see every firearm and reconcile it with the list. As dobek said, that wouldn't work with firearms owned before you had the C&R. It also is not pracatical in a large collection.

Normally an audit is a spot check. They point to an entry and ask to see the firearm then ask for a random firearm and ask to see the entry. I would recommend showing them the book then waiting to see which firearm they ask to see and go get it. In some cases that could take a lot of time. If they are able to reconcile the ones checked, they probably won't want to check them all.

Try to schedule near the end of the day, ha!

Cass

[jonnyc]

"then ask for a random firearm and ask to see the entry"

They have no need or right to ask about any firearm that is not in the boundbook, they don't even know about them. I would not bring them to my gun-room, only let them into an area convenient for them to access the guns listed in my boundbook. Anything else is beyond the scope of the 03...I think.

[0311Shooter]

Like anything else, I am sure there are agents who want to do the job strictly according to the book (Bound Book, that is). They check the numbers, make sure the "I's" are dotted, the "T's" crossed.

While I don't think it is necessary for them to see your (ok, our) arsenals, they can probably legally ask to see a particular weapon to verify it to the BB. There are probably a few others who like to see arsenals and would ask for them all.

I think if it was me they were auditing, I would keep my vault closed and locked, but bring out each piece they asked about. After all, there ARE Non-C&R weapons there that are none of his, and anybody's, business.

All in all, I still think that a C&R FFL is still the best thing since sliced bread.

[cary m2a]

Hey Lisa
A vase, flowers and some doilies would be a nice touch.

Cary

[Neal Myers]

You have to think like a federal employee. I see 2 likely reasons that the fellas with the bulges in the cheap suits are doing this:
1) Some GM-15 made up a list of "agency objectives" so that he could justify the budget, & thought "audit C&R's" sounded like a reasonable idea that would make them look like they doing something worthwhile, or
2) Some Congressman put a rider on the agency funding bill (as has happened numerous times in the past) that requires them to bust C&R's who are abusing their licenses.

Either way, knowledgeable agency managers KNOW this is a waste of time, but, like good government managers, they accept the need to justify what they are doing, since they have done so little to reduce crime or the threat of terrorism.