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    After four years I have finally sourced my holy grail, problem is my packrat mentality is now thinking of others to lust after

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    IIRC yours is a pretty late serial number. You might do some internet trolling for data.

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    After four years I have finally sourced my holy grail, problem is my packrat mentality is now thinking of others to lust after

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    Quote Originally Posted by limpetmine View Post
    IIRC yours is a pretty late serial number. You might do some internet trolling for data.
    No need, it came with all the info-made for NZicon cadets and served with one cadet group (I know what one but I'm 9000km from my records right now) until sold as surplus to the guy I bought it off.
    It's very frustrating that I'm going to have to wait until Easter to fire it.

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    There is no end toe the Enfield Holly Grail

    I thought mine was the HT sniper, then the No4T, then the L39A1, Then the No1, then the L42A1, then the WW1 sniper, then the WW1 with Lattey sights.
    Then it hit me the Holy Grail is the one you haven't got, and I will never have all the Enfields, but that is the fun of collecting, it is the hunt for the next one.
    Happy hunting.

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    I have, for some years searched for a good representative No4 T, as my "holy grail"- to no avail. After wasting my time chasing leads and looking into a series of supposed T's for sale here in OZ that all turned out to be fakes or build-ups with little merit (especially at the prices being asked) I must admit I became some dejected with the whole thing. It started me thinking though, and came to realize that in reality I already had my holy grail Enfield. Some years ago my father gave me his ex fullbore rifle. Its a 1942 Matby No4 Mk1. Its history of being my fathers fullbore rifle (he was a considered a good shot on the West Oz fullbore comp scene in the late 60's/pre changeover to Omark days) makes it for me. To purists it probably would be considered a bit of a pig, as some items would be considered more "wrong" than right (most work on it was done in late 60's, not by me) Was re-barrelled with a Sportco 5 groove barrel in 68. The wood (lovely honey coloured Beach) has been done in some sort of clear finish. It has at some point picked up a Savage marked magazine. It is centre bedded (please don't flame me, im not starting that argument again, just stating what is) Is missing the bolt release plunger and was missing butt sling swivel. It came with PH5 rear sight, PH trigger guard sling swivel and Central adjustable front blade. I changed the PH5 for a Mk1 backsight and fitted standard blade and rear sling swivel and webbing sling. I use it for service rifle shooting and think of my father and everything he has taught me each and every time I use it. I have several other No4's and a P14, all of which would probably all be considered in better condition or more orig than my Matby, but I couldn't ask for a finer Lee Enfield.

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    My Lee Enfield Holy Grail would have to be the No. 4, Mk 1 that I sporterized. Manufactured in 1943, it has a brass butt plate and ladder rear sight. These are the modifications I made to it:
    1. Removed brass butt plate and replaced it with a cushioned rubber recoil pad.
    2. Removed beech wood fore-arm furniture and rear top barrel cover and added black fore-end with rounded off end.
    3. Bedded the barrel.
    4. Sanded out dings in beech wood stock and refinished it with clear varnish.
    5. Made a cheek-rest as close to original sniper rifle cheek rest as possible (out of a rolling pin) and added it to the stock. Then added a laced rubber cheek cushion sleeve with 5 round cartridge carrier and weather flap.
    6. Added a front sight cover.
    7. Replaced mil-spec 10 rd. magazine with a new aftermarket hunting-legal five round magazine.
    8. Added weaver scope rings and 10X32 Burris scope with flip-up lens covers.

    I now have a great looking Britishicon .303 sniper rifle.
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    I was fortunate enough to acquire an unfired still in the wrap No4 MKII, one of the Irish finds from the early 1990's. This one has a manufacturer date of 1954 and came with bayonet.




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    there is a never ending list of peoples holy grail. like a the (T)
    i was fortunate to find this recently , , the grail is still the (T) but
    this comes close

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faulkner View Post
    I was fortunate enough to acquire an unfired still in the wrap No4 MKII, one of the Irish finds from the early 1990's. This one has a manufacturer date of 1954 and came with bayonet.
    What a beautiful gun -- pristine and untouched on the battlefield. Like one of the Savage-Stevens Enfields that was just taken out of its original box, these are the idealized beauties of the contest, like a Grecian Goddess, to be put on a pedestal and adored from afar -- the mythical Virgin Princess encased by the protective shield of her unchallengeable beauty -- forever chaste, preserved, and enslaved by purity; so eminently graceful but sadly never to be wrapped in the robes of glory. Forlorn in perpetuity for she will never experience the agony and ecstasy of war; nor the exhilaration of a the blast of powder from within her loins; nor the pulsing rising beat of being loaded then expelling her spent shells; nor the feeling of joy brought by the embrace of a true marksman with an eagle's aim squeezing her trigger ever so gently yet so firmly; nor the sense of safety and security her sisters brought to the lonely and shaking soldier who needed her so dearly to protect his life, his honor, and our freedom; nor the warm protective loving touch of a restoration gunsmith caressing her skin back to wholesomeness.

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    I already had my holy grail Enfield. Some years ago my father gave me his ex fullbore rifle. Its a 1942 Matby No4 Mk1. Its history of being my fathers fullbore rifle ...makes it for me. To purists it probably would be considered a bit of a pig, as some items would be considered more "wrong" than right (most work on it was done in late 60's, not by me) ....... I use it for service rifle shooting and think of my father and everything he has taught me each and every time I use it. I have several other No4's and a P14, all of which would probably all be considered in better condition or more orig than my Matby, but I couldn't ask for a finer Lee Enfield.
    My Holy Grail would be more like brnom2, but with a twist. If I had a full, complete, and total history of any one of my Enfields including: who in the supply chain made the parts? who on the assembly line actually assembled it? who shipped it from the manufacturing plant to the chain of logistics that got it to the battlefield? how many Germanicon submarines tried to sink it on a Liberty ship? which soldier used it in what battles and the fear and courage that gave aim to the gun? and how did it get all its bumps and bruises and even brokenness? and then the whole chain of inspectors, armourers, importers, and former owners, before me -- the story of turbulence, courage, despair, heroism, trading, and restoration..... That's the "provenance" that I look for -- a quest for the grail that is seemingly unattainable -- missing and long forgotten.

    For each gun I restore I write a history of the gun as best as I can fathom from its multitude of markings, repairs, and replacement parts. I then roll up the history tightly like a scroll, and put it in the butt stock hole so that another generation may continue the quest for the grail.

    If only these rifles could speak -- like Gordon Lightfoot wrote: "If I could read your mind love, what a tale your thoughts could tell......." but alas I dream...... the quest, the quest .... like Don Quixote's impossible dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaspriter View Post
    What a beautiful gun -- pristine and untouched on the battlefield. Like one of the Savage-Stevens Enfields that was just taken out of its original box, these are the idealized beauties of the contest, like a Grecian Goddess, to be put on a pedestal and adored from afar -- the mythical Virgin Princess encased by the protective shield of her unchallengeable beauty -- forever chaste, preserved, and enslaved by purity; so eminently graceful but sadly never to be wrapped in the robes of glory. Forlorn in perpetuity for she will never experience the agony and ecstasy of war; nor the exhilaration of a the blast of powder from within her loins; nor the pulsing rising beat of being loaded then expelling her spent shells; nor the feeling of joy brought by the embrace of a true marksman with an eagle's aim squeezing her trigger ever so gently yet so firmly; nor the sense of safety and security her sisters brought to the lonely and shaking soldier who needed her so dearly to protect his life, his honor, and our freedom; nor the warm protective loving touch of a restoration gunsmith caressing her skin back to wholesomeness.

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    My Holy Grail would be more like brnom2, but with a twist. If I had a full, complete, and total history of any one of my Enfields including: who in the supply chain made the parts? who on the assembly line actually assembled it? who shipped it from the manufacturing plant to the chain of logistics that got it to the battlefield? how many Germanicon submarines tried to sink it on a Liberty ship? which soldier used it in what battles and the fear and courage that gave aim to the gun? and how did it get all its bumps and bruises and even brokenness? and then the whole chain of inspectors, armourers, importers, and former owners, before me -- the story of turbulence, courage, despair, heroism, trading, and restoration..... That's the "provenance" that I look for -- a quest for the grail that is seemingly unattainable -- missing and long forgotten.

    For each gun I restore I write a history of the gun as best as I can fathom from its multitude of markings, repairs, and replacement parts. I then roll up the history tightly like a scroll, and put it in the butt stock hole so that another generation may continue the quest for the grail.

    If only these rifles could speak -- like Gordon Lightfoot wrote: "If I could read your mind love, what a tale your thoughts could tell......." but alas I dream...... the quest, the quest .... like Don Quixote's impossible dream.
    I have to admit SEASPRITER, that was a rather fine description of a cherished rifle!!!! I like the idea of the scroll in the butt stock hole too, not only for the next generation but also to keep details of it's personality when at the range, each Enfield has it's own. When at the range shooting the various ones you own....a little detailed reminder helps you to enjoy her even more. Seen Mr Lightfoot 3 times at Massey Hall...I hope he lives to be 150!!!!!!

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