When it really happens: SHTF...

[Ovidio]

I was looking at some numbers today, and I’m growing perplexed...
The percentage of deaths due to Covid is very low. Maybe 18% of the total. Almost all elder people with several ailments. The few younger mostly already weakened too.
That means that 82% of people died and proved positive. But the virus was not the killer. Or am I understanding that wrong?
It is an interesting issue. Who died from and who died with Covid? Not the same thing.
In the meantime, what we can see in the hospitals is certainly not normal, by far not.
I never believed in conspiracy theories, but I’m slowly growing skeptical.
Just wonder what would have happened if there hadn’t been the Internet and all the modern communication systems. Maybe we would have just sat it out...

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[Aragorn243]

Ovidio,

I've been starting to wonder the same thing. I ran some numbers today and as of right now, this mass panic is actually affecting 65 out of 100,000 people in my state. .065% of the population and because of that, we are in near complete lockdown. The death rate of those 65 out of 100,000 is 1.2%. Granted, it could be a lot worse if we were no in lockdown. California is the huge question mark. While New York burns, California is sitting there with four times the population of Pennsylvania and just slightly more total cases and total deaths than we have. And they started later than we did if I'm not mistaken. They are also the first place most Chinese land when arriving in the States. Word is that even the few children who have died were grossly overweight. The hospital ship that sailed with great fanfare into NY harbor has a grand total of 20 patients. And when you compare the estimated death number here of 100,000-200,000 and compare it to heart disease which kills 650,000 a year it makes you wonder. Add another 140,000 for lower respirator deaths and you have 740,000 deaths a year. And this virus is possibly simply killing that 740,000 off a few months or weeks before they would have died anyway. Not trying to make light of it but it's making me question.

[CINDERS]

I ran the figures on the Worldometer site 1,014,933 infected with 53,166 deaths from the virus it works out to a rate of 5.2383753410% which totally outstrips what they are saying about the death rates, so someones lying somewhere I made my point on just how suss this thing is exploding all over the planet even though 4-5 months seems a long time on a planetary scale its SFA. The best way now to bring change or defeat someone is not to throw bombs and bullets but biological that like this ties up entire countries and breaks the banks or their economies all we can do is wait and see, even now they are saying China is not being truthful on their numbers der! when were they ever truthful the only truth in this I feel is its man made and engineered to allow buy ups.

[Gil Boyd]

On my NBC course back in the day and the refresher not so long ago, the masks were either AGA SPIRO or DRAGER it had a constant air cushion around your face pumped by a rechargeable power pack on your belt.
Sadly, with anything Military its not cheap but it certainly gave 100% protection from CS, I know its not the same but it kept the pressure off the face tissues and would for these young ladies suffering at the moment.
The masks they have with double elastics were NEVER made to be worn for long durations as they are now.

[oldpaul]

On my NBC course back in the day and the refresher not so long ago, the masks were either AGA SPIRO or DRAGER it had a constant air cushion around your face pumped by a rechargeable power pack on your belt.
Sadly, with anything Military its not cheap but it certainly gave 100% protection from CS, I know its not the same but it kept the pressure off the face tissues and would for these young ladies suffering at the moment.
The masks they have with double elastics were NEVER made to be worn for long durations as they are now.

I am a retired Respiratory Therapist and my wife is still an ICU primary RT here in south Puget Sound. What you were using sounds similar to the PAPR (powered air purifying respirators) that consists of a hood with an integral shoulder apron that filters room air through a HEPA filter/fan unit affixed to your scrub pants. When I was working it was most often used for TB rule outs and potential or actual airborne MERSA patients. The hoods are reusable to a degree but require careful disinfecting between uses and since there is currently a shortage of all personal protection equipment, hoods are shared between MDs, RNs and RTs. As I am overly fond of my wife I spent some serious time on line and on the phone to finally find three new PAPR hoods for $240 plus shipping which is not a terribly high price all things considered. These hoods are probably the cheapest component of the PAPR system and I think medical equipment prices compare favorably (unfavorably) with military costs. Nonetheless, as you suggest, price and availability are out of reasonable reach for most of us. Best. Tom

[muffett.2008]

Strewth Cinders, I was going blue in the face reading that, haven't you heard of a comma or fullstop?

[Ovidio]

Strewth Cinders, I was going blue in the face reading that, haven't you heard of a comma or fullstop?

Sometimes it’s hard, I’ll admit it...

Sorry Ron...

[CINDERS]

Sorry muffet I am pretty passionate about this insidious virus amongst other stuff promise I'll endeavor to watch my puncuation etc.

[Ovidio]

Waiting for your story.
On the light side of all of it: today I had Rib Eye from Sashi and have prepared the dough for pizza napoletana. I’ll light my wood oven in a couple hours. Tomorrow penne alla puttanesca. Yesterday carbonara.
If you like it, I could start a cooking thread here. I’m pretty good, as I’ve had to care for myself and my younger brother from the age of 16.
Parents were and still are ok, but we had rough times then and we (brother and I) hade to care a lot for ourselves at that time.
(And I like to eat good stuff

[Aragorn243]

Our state health director just gave a blanket prescription for naloxone for the entire state on his authority. Not sure what that means or why. It's the drug that reverses opiate overdoses and is normally carried in police cars.

Another large increase in new cases, and a correspondingly large increase in deaths. Up to 136 now. 10% are requiring hospitalization, and about 10% of those are requiring ventilators. We are now to wear masks which is great because most people don't have them and can't get them. I will probably have to make some today.

NY is rapidly moving to 1/2 of all cases in the US and is currently 7 short of being half of all deaths with 3565. The vast majority of them unsurprisingly are in NYC and the surrounding counties.