Singer cruciform rare?

[gew8805]

Sorry for the delay, guys, I am hoping to get the photographs soon, but my daughter is at work. I hadn't really looked at it years but it is marked:''

"G crown R"
No.4MkII
SM

The Crown is the same size as the letters G and R.

[Peter Laidler]

You've caught me just before I've got back to elaborate on that GEW. He's says that it's the larger/bigger G-CROWN-R that he's never seen on a Mk2. Apparently that, and the fact that the crown looked like a crown, was a feature on the very earliest Mk1's.

But he also mentioned that it was only the very earlest Mk2's that had the smaller (Mk1 type) G-stylised crown-R. So if you've got one of them, they're rare too. In fact almost as rare as the Mk1's but more readily available because they're harder to identify!

Please post pics GEW as I'm going to look for one now. I'm becoming a bayonet nerd.................

[gew8805]

Thanks for the information Peter, it is a good marking and when I got it this one just about completed my No.4 bayonet collection so I was happy with it. I have been meaning to buy Mr. Priest's book but it keeps getting set on the back burner. *sigh* Being a bayonet nerd is not such a bad thing now, is it?

[nzl1a1collector]

No. 4, Mk. 1 sell here in New Zealand for between NZ$250 - NZ$450 !!!!

There are plenty Fakes around NZ and there was a roaring trade in making them at one stage.

These would have to be the most overpriced bayonet around.

[Peter Laidler]

I'm trying not to get toooo nerdy about Bayonets...... but were the NZ fake Mk1's done locally? Were they similar to the UK/Indian fakes shown/described earlier in this thread?

They must have been a bit of a pig to do because the blades are pretty damn tough stuff to cut unless you anneal it first

[nzl1a1collector]

I'm trying not to get toooo nerdy about Bayonets...... but were the NZ fake Mk1's done locally? Were they similar to the UK/Indian fakes shown/described earlier in this thread?

They must have been a bit of a pig to do because the blades are pretty damn tough stuff to cut unless you anneal it first

Yes, they were done locally and it wouldn't surprise me is they filtered out overseas to the UK and USA collectors before internet forums became mainstream.

[gew8805]

Okay gentlemen, here are the pictures of my Singer made No4. MkII with the "G crown R" marking. I didn't do to well because it is not the best camera in the world but hopefully you will get the idea:









Sorry about the focus, the camera just wouldn't allow me to get that close..... *sigh*

[A square 10]

the markings on a singer mkI are distinctive in that the 'early' marking is "SMC" as opposed to the SM seen on this mkII

[limpetmine]

Here are a few shots of mine. It has seen some honest use, as the markings are very faint. On the opposite side is 77 Z. From A Square 10's comments, mine is a Mk II. The "II" is so faint as to not be visible (just barely), but it does have the SM. I got mine in St. Mere Eglise in 2004 before the glut of these hit the market just a year or two later.

[gew8805]

the markings on a singer mkI are distinctive in that the 'early' marking is "SMC" as opposed to the SM seen on this mkII

A square 10, that is very interesting. I no longer have either of my No.4 MkI bayonets, but I seem to remember, perhaps incorrectly, that they were marked "SM", I don't recall an "SMC" marking and would love to see an example.