Why would you get a .22 cal AR?

[nhetzer]

[QUOTE=jmoore;213512]Color me stupid here, but don't the armed forces now train with blanks and "laser tag" gear strapped to their rifles? Never mind simulators like F.A.T.S. And if you confuse the ballistic curve of a .22 with a 5,56, 9mm, or .45, you aren't apt to to do well in other training scenarios either...

No, we don't use "laser tag" gear for training anyone marksmanship. The purpose of the simulators is to teach basic familiarity and handling. They are intended to teach folks who have never handled a weapon before the basic principles. Blanks are used to make a training scenario more realistic and beats yelling "bang". Like when doing convoy training for example. The purpose is to teach tactics involving the convoy, not marksmanship. For weapons qualifications and practical marksmanship we still use good old live ammunition and a range.
I'm just a firm believer in the proven theory that you train with what use, and use what you train with. I find that the simulators are better trainers and more practical than training with a .22. I never thought I would say that but the technology has come far enough that even though it's not a live fire situation, the ballistics are at least on par with a real M4 or M16. Don't get me wrong, there is and never will be a substitute for live fire on a range, but compared to training with a .22 I think the simulators make more sense.




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[NavyEngineer]

I enjoy shooting regularly with my 22lr conversions. It's quick and easy to pull the bolt and carrier out of an upper and insert the conversion kit. The conversion allows me to shoot 22lr in my surplus M16A1, M16A2, M4, and Commando uppers, and I doubt I could ever wear a barrel out shooting 22lr through it. I generally shoot cheap bulk pack ammo, and the occasional dud round gives you practice with malfunctions as well. I used a mix of 22lr and 5.56 to build my marksmanship skills and proficiency before heading to SC for Army pre-deployment training for Sailors last year.

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Keep your head down. Thank you for your service and GO NAVY!

[NavyEngineer]

Keep your head down. Thank you for your service and GO NAVY!

Thanks - I deployed in FEB 2011 and returned home from Afghanistan just in time for Christmas last year - it's great to be home, and back to the Navy! I haven't been online much lately - just updated my profile to reflect my return!

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Thanks - I deployed in FEB 2011 and returned home from Afghanistan just in time for Christmas last year - it's great to be home, and back to the Navy! I haven't been online much lately - just updated my profile to reflect my return!

Welcome Home.

[nhetzer]

NavyEngineer, what do you do for the Navy?


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[A square 10]

"Love the banter ( I think thats the term I'm looking for) this has me thinking thoughts, you know the ones that coinside with a reduction in ones bank account. I to recently found a love of shooting a .22 LR rifle. It would be fun on a AR platform. "

and in the end thats where i am at - im not getting younger and im enjoying the 22cal more , i also know where i can harvest dinner or breakfast with it tonight/tommorrow , and the optics dont hurt with these aging eyes

[Kirk]

I use a Compass Lake .22 upper practicing for matches. I bought a S&W AR15-22 because a neighbor lady wanted to learn how to shoot an AR15.

[no4mk1t]

First, it's important to separate the intended usage of a RF AR. There is plinking, and there is serious practice/competition.

For plinking there is the conversion units that use the CF barrel and substitute a RF conversion unit for the BCG.
There is also dedicated uppers and complete weapons that are designed to be relatively inexpensive for informal use. No match sights, barrel, float tube etc. The polymer S&W offering is a good example.

Then there is the Compass Lake and Accuracy Speaks uppers that are designed for serious practice for the High Power competitor. These have match quality barrels, float tubes, 1/4 minute sights, etc. to be as close as possible to the shooters CF upper. Their intended purpose is to allow one to shoot with the CF lower so the trigger is the same one used for CF. You get match grade accuracy so your practice gives relevant feedback, unlike a plinker grade upper that won't. You therefore save wear and tear on your CF barrel, the cost of CF ammo, and if you can safely shoot RF at or near your house, you save the drive time/gas to go to a safe CF range.
I built a CLE upper myself for $650 back in 2006 and shoot it monthly at a local club that hosts a RF version of a High power match at reduced distance with reduced targets. I made a tutorial back then and posted it on another forum. If there is interest, I can post it here.

[langss]

I bought the Colt (mfg by Walther) M4 Carbine because I have four Grandchildren ranging in age from 5 to 16 to teach Firearms Safety, Maintenance and anything else they need to know. Using .223 would be cost prohibitive. When I am comfortable with their level of competence I have an M4 style AR for them to step up to. Not a lot of thought required. They look the same, work the same save for the (Bullet Button), have 10rd magazines. Makes perfect sense to me.