My Carbines, Old and New - with a twist

[Sleeplessnashadow]

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[imarangemaster]

Jim, did the Ingram Police rifle ever make it into production? I have seen reference to it somewhere else, but don't remember where.

[Sleeplessnashadow]

My understanding is it and it's variations never made it into production. Where you probably saw this is in War Baby III, pages 1477-1481. Larry went into a bit of detail describing Ingram's efforts.

My understanding is Ingram had troubles with the design he couldn't overcome. The folding stock was made and sold by National Ordnance under the Cadmus name, Sumdac and later Federal Ordnance. The front sight on the folding stock models was invented and used by by National Ordnance on their carbines. The receiver was cast and the source wasn't stated, though Ingram had to lengthen the receiver and strengthen the breech for the higher pressures so they were likely cast specifically for Ingram. Ingram knew the Los Angeles area gun manufacturers and wholesalers. He had worked with and around them in the 50's.

The two rifle pics below I shot for Larry during a time I was still learning to master lighting for gun pics. My work was voluntary and at my expense so the price was right. The other pics were sent to Larry. I'm headed to Larry's in November for 2 weeks of photos. Don't know if he kept this one in his state or relocated it to a state where it would be safe from politicians who make no exceptions for preserving and researching history. I didn't shoot more pics due to the number of items Larry wanted photos of demanded we keep the line moving.

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By the way, my favorite in his commercial carbine collection is the carbine converted to .45 Winchester Magnum by LeMAG.

For all the warnings published at the time, neither Larry or I have heard of one failing. I've been in contact with several owners who lived in Alaska and they swore by them. I haven't researched all the conversions as I have more than enough to do. Told Larry he could leave that LeMag to me in his will. In the meantime I'll have to get by with my Universal Firearms Vulcan .44 Magnum. I don't collect them, I shoot them. Pics and ammo.

Universal Firearms
Vulcan Model, pump action, caliber.44 magnum
(less than 3000 made)
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Receiver and bolt milled from forged steel. 5 shot pump action. Anyone owns one of these and needs a replacement stock/handguard I have a couple extras.

Jim

P.S. I deleted the below attached thumbnail from the narrative and it showed up as an attachment instead. Could someone please instruct me on how to eliminate the attachment?

[imarangemaster]

Just got my repro American Black Walnut upper handguard for my 582 Mini-14 from Mark at Gunville. WOW! I love it. It needed no fitting and was a perfect snap in fit. Beautifully sanded, and ready to stain. At $65 +$10 priority mail shipping, it is an excellent deal. I used some Minwax "red chestnut" stain to match my tiger stripe stock, then finished it with some spray semi-gloss clear wood finish I had. Now my Mini really does look like a M1 Carbine that "grew up!" I'll post a pick of them side by side.

[imarangemaster]

I see 30 round Ruger factory for $32-25 USD here. It is expensive, but so are Galil mags, AR10 mags, SCAR17 .308 mags, etc. Even 30 round USGI carbine mags run $30-$40 here in the lower 48 We get so spoiled by cheap AR and AK surplus mags, we forget that mags can be expensive...

[browningautorifle]

We just can't get them here. Not at all.

[imarangemaster]

We have that problem in California, also. I am fortunate that I had several different MIn-14s that I occasionally carried as LEO trunk weapons in the 80s and 90s before the ban. I sold them but kept the magazines. I have about 10 Ruger factory magazines (20s and 30s) and another 10 or 12 of the Thermold "Zytel" polymer 30 round magazines. If I didn't, I \d be stuck with 10 rounders.

[browningautorifle]

Moot point anyways here. We can only have fives, even a 40 has to be blocked, so I had a pocket full of the little guys.

[imarangemaster]

Jim, How about G43s, SKSs, Hakims, M1 Garands, and M1 Carbines, etc? Still limited to 5s?

Bernie

[browningautorifle]

The only one not limited is the M1 rifle, mercifully. That's another reason I have one. The ones that can fit a mag marked for pistol, Storm, M4, JR carbine and so on, can use a ten rd but only if it's as factory issued. Yes, you must butcher your G41/43 mag...there's a rule about pre 1945 mags not being blocked but it's somewhat cloudy and I sure wouldn't test it. I think you'd find yourself fighting in court.