ID of old cartridge casing

[Flying10uk]

The Royal Navy does actually reuse names for example our 2 new aircraft carriers, currently under construction, HMS Queen Elizabeth & Prince Of Wales were both last used previously on battleships.

[Tom in N.J.]

Both the original HMS Terror, and HMS Erebus were lost in Canadian waters in the 1840s.. It was the lost Franklin expedition. Searchers found graves and notes, but no lost ships in the 1850s. Both wrecks were located in the 2014-16 period.

[Peter Laidler]

By pure coincidence, there was a TV documentary on the expedition and finding of the Erebus on our TV last night. But did they find the original Terror too? That wasn't made clear or identified.

[Flying10uk]

I think that there may have been something in Navy News 2 or 3 years ago about finding these ship/s but I can't remember any details.

[CINDERS]

The Q E battle ship in WWII was the victim of the Desima Mas from memory, I think Churchill visited her or some high up whilst she was firmly planted to the bottom of the harbor tied to the pier such were their size you could not tell she was sorta sunk...... The Italian Decima Mas human torpedo's inspired the brits to follow suit very brave men Frogman VC is a good read as is Under Water warriors

[Tom in N.J.]

The Arctic Research Foundation announced on 12 Sept. 2016 that HMS Terror had been found south of King William Island, Canada.

[#1oilman]

HMS Terror was found this past summer. The expedition stopped at an Inuit village and picked up some locals, one had photographed what appeared to be a mast sticking out of the ice several years ago but had lost his camera. The expedition went to the location and found the Terror in almost intact condition.

[browningautorifle]

The expedition went to the location and found the Terror in almost intact condition.

I remember that now...

[Bruce_in_Oz]

If the Germans could "recycle", re-designate and publish manuals for, huge amounts of captured hardware and munitions, I suspect their Sake-propelled cousins were quite capable of the same.

It cut both ways, of course. I recall seeing a picture of an Australian Digger in North Africa with Breda Model 1935 PG that had become surplus to Italian needs.

At one stage of the North African conflict, Italy also (unintentionally) supplied most of the guns used by the Brit/Oz "Bush Artillery" at Tobruk .

The Japanese had the dubious distinction of having THREE "7.7mm" cartridges in service simultaneously; rimmed (essentially the .303), used on IJN ships and in the Lewis-like Type 92, a “semi-rimmed job for the “other” Type 92 “heavy” MG and the "rimless" version for the Type 99 rifle and Type 99 LMG, the latter looking like the result of a one-night-stand involving a Bren and a French Chatellerault Model 1924 /29.

All this on top of an array of 6.5mm weapons in the same theatre, along with aircraft guns in 7.92 x 57, 12.7 (looking suspiciously like Mr. Brownings creation) and up into 20mm etc.

Ammo was but one part of the logistics nightmare; consider the "challenge" of supplying parts to the over-worked gun-plumbers in the field.

[browningautorifle]

If the Germans could "recycle", re-designate and publish manuals for, huge amounts of captured hardware and munitions, I suspect their Sake-propelled cousins were quite capable of the same.

That's a good point, why wouldn't they?