Force matched - me no understand

[Roger Payne]

I agree, & loathe the term 'force matched' with a vengeance. Why not just 're-matched', or 're-numbered'? Both of these terms can be further added to if desired, eg. 'probable ordnance re-numbered', or 'amateur re-matched', for that matter.

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[Flying10uk]

Why not just 're-matched', or 're-numbered'?

Both of these terms would be absolutely fine with me because they differentiate from the term "matching numbers gun" which some dealers are all too keen to use when it isn't.

[Peter Laidler]

Force matched.......... leaves me thinking of an old ruddy faced blacksmith heat bashing a hinge onto an old farm gate. Then aligning it afterwards using the oxy torch and a lump hammer. Have you ever seen a REME RAEME, RCEME, RNZEME recovery mechanic de-linking track link pins on a 55 ton Centurion that's shed its tracks on a side incline. Same sort of thing.

[Eaglelord17]

Force matched.......... leaves me thinking of an old ruddy faced blacksmith heat bashing a hinge onto an old farm gate. Then aligning it afterwards using the oxy torch and a lump hammer. Have you ever seen a REME RAEME, RCEME, RNZEME recovery mechanic de-linking track link pins on a 55 ton Centurion that's shed its tracks on a side incline. Same sort of thing.

You just described the Soviet refurbishment program, except they are ruddy faced from the Vodka.

[Flying10uk]

Soviet refurbishment program

There was nothing wrong with the Soviet post war refurbishment programme. I am sure that it's purpose was partly to provide employment to the masses with the added benefit of the state getting something useful back in return. On the other hand, we who live in Capitalist Western countries prefer to pay the unemployed to stay at home.

[Eaglelord17]

There was nothing wrong with the Soviet post war refurbishment programme. I am sure that it's purpose was partly to provide employment to the masses with the added benefit of the state getting something useful back in return. On the other hand, we who live in Capitalist Western countries prefer to pay the unemployed to stay at home.

The Western nations did a similar process though not to the same level of crudeness (and when I say crudeness, it doesn't mean it wasn't effective, simply that it wasn't as well done as it could have been, if you look at a example of Soviet arms which haven't been refurbished from pre-WWII you will see a much higher quality standard). For example all the FTR Lee Enfields. Most nations had some sort of refurbishment program, the quality of it varied between nations.

[Flying10uk]

Presumably the Soviet post war refurbishment program included some armoured vehicles such as T34 tanks. I wonder if they refurbished soft skinned vehicles such as trucks and jeeps?

[cipherk98]

Whenever I think of "force matched" the first thing that comes to mind is a Mitchell's Mausers K98k, which in that context is perhaps a more polite way of saying "humped".

[LondonEnfield]

Where does the forum stand on the topic of rifles where the bolt, foreend, magazine, etc have all had the same number applied by a gunsmith assembling them from parts bins? Or even refinishing them and applying the number?

[Eaglelord17]

Where does the forum stand on the topic of rifles where the bolt, foreend, magazine, etc have all had the same number applied by a gunsmith assembling them from parts bins? Or even refinishing them and applying the number?

That is called faking, and it should be condemned in the most serious way possible.