Sub Calibre adaptors.............

[Nick S]

Can these kits function in the straight pull UK legal L1A1s?

Yes. The liner goes into the barrel, and the .22 bolt assembly replaces the complete .308 bolt & carrier...

[daryldiane]

Interesting, so I just need a variation for .22?
Do you know of any other kits for sale?
Daryl

[Nick S]

Interesting, so I just need a variation for .22?
Do you know of any other kits for sale?
Daryl

Variation for a ".22 Conversion Kit" would do the trick - that's the easy part! Finding another kit will be the tricky bit. A couple of FAL shooters I know that have collections of rifles / accessories have said they've never seen one for sale here. They occasionally come up in the US, but the price is >$1000. There are some new ones being built at the moment (in the US at a very good $445), but they are all being built to order as a group buy, rather than for retail sale. You'd obviously have the hassle of getting one exported as well (if they're building any extras...)

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...0&pagenumber=1

[Peter Laidler]

Export of a kit from the US to the UK should not be a problem at all. Once you have negotiated for one in the US, arrange for it to be sent to a knowledgeable exported and that's it. It'll be delivered to your door within a week.

Try BDL in SC. He does exports every day

[Brian Dick]

The export process from the USA isn't quite that simple or quick but it can be done. It'd be better to enlist one importer in the UK and do several at one time. That would defray the costs to the individual buyers considerably.

[A square 10]

i am in on the FAL-FILE group buy , when i get my kit i will report if someone is interested i think he might have a spare or two to sell

[Peter Laidler]

I know the sub-cal build well on its way to completion as we speak. I have to say that I have the greatest admiration for these people who put their money where their mouths are. That's the reason why we've got more No7 parts kits, L1A1/FN sub calibre adaptoirs, IWS mounts and telescope optics.

Should be easily importable into the UK. I think Fultons will make a bulk(?) buy if anyones interested and BDL can export

[Nick S]

As I understand it, it's not the UK end that's the issue, but the US end of things due to the ITAR stuff. To export it will need an export licence & end user declaration (DSP83?) and fee - not that hard, but a bit costly & time consuming. I think I'm also right in saying that the manufacturer needs to be registered with the state department for exporting as well - which I doubt is the case in this instance. As the kits were a made to order group buy there may be a few spares, but I don't think its a product that's going to be routinely manufactured, so unlikely that there are many left to buy or that the manufacturer will want the hassle of a few international sales...

[Peter Laidler]

Where there's a will, there will always be a difficult way Nick......... That's a pretty pessimistic outlook if I dare say so. But, look on the bright side for a few seconds. These people have busted a gut to provide a need and if someone REALLY wants such a beast, whether in the UK or elsewhere, then they WILL succeed, even if it means putting oneself out a bit and putting up with the minimal inconvenience. And to be fair, noones actually done that yet, so far as I'm aware.

Insofar as the availability of kits after the main event, surely the reason for the initial bulk 'money-up-front' idea is to have the funds to get the drawings completed, prototypes accurately back engineered and then set up and purchase the tooling/etc/etc to enable further production to go ahead subsequently. That's what production planning and engineering is all about surely. Might I suggest that we rightly applaud these pioneers or entrepeneurs who put their money and time on the line.

I know what it's like Nick, and so do several others on this site. Because we've done it...............

[Nick S]

Morning Peter,

Yes - It is a fairly pessimistic view, but it is based on personal exporting experience & the originator of the group buys information on FALfiles...

I'm definitely applauding the effort that's gone into producing the kit - as you rightly say, if no-one puts themselves out to do this sort of thing, then we will all be much worse off.

The original group buy said there may be a few extras left over at the end for people that didn't get into the deal - but that in itself implies that it's not going to be an on-going product. (Although there could undoubtedly be a second batch made at some point in the future as most of the hard work has been done getting one batch made.)

As for the US export restrictions, they are frustrating in the extreme - I've had many orders go through happily, and some fail miserably! (a $7 extractor for a .22LR Thompson that apparently required an export licence and the $200 handling fee was a memorable one!)