Greatest bolt action battle rifle in history...

[Ovidio]

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[HOOKED ON HISTORY]

I did not say I could make it.

[Ovidio]

You got me worried...

[HOOKED ON HISTORY]

You got me worried...

No worries. It was interesting to see an argument made for a Carcano.

[enfield303t]

Interesting discussion. Have a 91/30 which is very accurate however that was obtained by installing a Timney trigger so it took cheating to get that accurate.

Also have a PU sniper and guess they are OK however the trigger is horrible and hopefully will get a Finish trigger mod. this weekend. That should help a lot as the way it is now I wouldn't bet my life on consistently hitting a anything. The scope is not great and at certain points will move feet with little adjustment so frustrating.

I have a couple No4's but they are really safe queens, considering shooting one in our local military fun shoot this summer. Shot one of them once and of course I have a real soft spot for any Lee Enfield.

The K31 is a fabulous gun, kick my arse for not buying one when they were very cheap as now they are nuts for price. A 31 sniper would be a fabulous gun IMO as low recoil and great bullet design should be hard to beat. If I ever found one at a reasonable price for sure would buy it.

[Eaglelord17]

Interesting discussion. Have a 91/30 which is very accurate however that was obtained by installing a Timney trigger so it took cheating to get that accurate.

Also have a PU sniper and guess they are OK however the trigger is horrible and hopefully will get a Finish trigger mod. this weekend. That should help a lot as the way it is now I wouldn't bet my life on consistently hitting a anything. The scope is not great and at certain points will move feet with little adjustment so frustrating.

I have a couple No4's but they are really safe queens, considering shooting one in our local military fun shoot this summer. Shot one of them once and of course I have a real soft spot for any Lee Enfield.

The K31 is a fabulous gun, kick my arse for not buying one when they were very cheap as now they are nuts for price. A 31 sniper would be a fabulous gun IMO as low recoil and great bullet design should be hard to beat. If I ever found one at a reasonable price for sure would buy it.

Technically adding a trigger isn't increasing the accuracy of the firearm, it is improving the ability of the shooter to use the firearm accurately. Personally I argue the Mosin Nagant is one of the most accurate milsurp rifles out there, provided it is in good condition and fed proper ammo. It gets a bad rep in the accuracy department because of poor condition rifles, poor quality ammo (99% of the surplus is absolute garbage), and inexperienced shooters (Mosin Nagants tend to be cheaper than most milsurps and as such newer shooters tend to buy them, I know my first bolt action was a 91/30).

[enfield303t]

Technically adding a trigger isn't increasing the accuracy of the firearm, it is improving the ability of the shooter to use the firearm accurately. Personally I argue the Mosin Nagant is one of the most accurate milsurp rifles out there, provided it is in good condition and fed proper ammo. It gets a bad rep in the accuracy department because of poor condition rifles, poor quality ammo (99% of the surplus is absolute garbage), and inexperienced shooters (Mosin Nagants tend to be cheaper than most milsurps and as such newer shooters tend to buy them, I know my first bolt action was a 91/30).

Probably splitting hairs on the accuracy word however if I did anything to a firearm that ended up with it being more accurate then IMHO accuracy was improved. I only shoot commie surplus ammo and the 91/30 with the Timney is pretty amazing at hitting a standard clay at 200 yards. Considering the bore is a little rough I was very surprised on how well it would shoot.

[amadeus76]

Technically adding a trigger isn't increasing the accuracy of the firearm, it is improving the ability of the shooter to use the firearm accurately. Personally I argue the Mosin Nagant is one of the most accurate milsurp rifles out there, provided it is in good condition and fed proper ammo. It gets a bad rep in the accuracy department because of poor condition rifles, poor quality ammo (99% of the surplus is absolute garbage), and inexperienced shooters (Mosin Nagants tend to be cheaper than most milsurps and as such newer shooters tend to buy them, I know my first bolt action was a 91/30).

I would disagree but caveat that and say the a Mosin can be very accurate... My 91/30 was one of the last rifles I purchased and it came with a surprisingly good trigger. However, it still shot horribly. I got probably somewhere between 5-7 MOA out of it. I spent some time and shimmed the barrel and lugs and it now shoots around 2 MOA, sometimes better. I don't think it's the poor condition of the rifles so much as poor QC and bedding due to wartime conditions are Russian doctrine that emphasized mass numbers over quality training and equipment. But the Finns really showed what you could do with these rifles.

[Ridolpho]

I would disagree but caveat that and say the a Mosin can be very accurate... My 91/30 was one of the last rifles I purchased and it came with a surprisingly good trigger. However, it still shot horribly. I got probably somewhere between 5-7 MOA out of it. I spent some time and shimmed the barrel and lugs and it now shoots around 2 MOA, sometimes better. I don't think it's the poor condition of the rifles so much as poor QC and bedding due to wartime conditions are Russian doctrine that emphasized mass numbers over quality training and equipment. But the Finns really showed what you could do with these rifles.

I sometimes think I must be the only guy with inaccurate Finn Mosins! Frankly I'm not impressed with the tacked in shims which are only evidence of quick and dirty expedient solutions and not "craftsmanship". The Soviets had their own approach to bedding for accuracy which makes good sense- the barrel reinforce is intended to be bearing on the wood, for example. I'm fortunate to own a few fully original very early war 91/30's and they are of very good fit and finish. By 'mid '43 things had changed but that is no different than what was happening in Britain, Germany, etc. The post war Soviet refurbs, as Eaglelord suggests, are all over the page in quality (as are the SVT refurbs) and it's not a good idea to judge the originals by them. I'll officially place my vote for the Mosin as the "greatest".

Comrade Ridolpho

[Gil Boyd]

Come on guys it has to be.....................Lee Enfield, or is it time to get my coat?