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    13c6087

    Currently for sale in the UKicon, 13C6087.

    Genuine Savage Sniper?

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    Hi guys, thanks for your responses. The world of the No. 4 Mk1/Mk1* (T) is confusing to say the least. The ideal would of course, be an all matching numbers, in the transit case with all the bits and bobs that went with it. Talk about Holy Grail! Until that one appears for sale on my horizon, I'm looking for as close to it as possible. The rifle I have found is, in my inexperienced mind a least, a genuine Savage H&H conversion. The S51 appears where expected, the scope mount pads are there, but don't appear the have had their screws staked, the cheek riser is present and the rest of the rifle has all matching serial numbers. The wood, barrel etc. is in exceptional condition. This may point to the rifle never having been 'issued' and sent straight to stores. There is no scope serial number on the 'wrist' or a 'T' on the side of the body which, as you both mentioned, some of the early rifles didn't have the 'T'. It's the complete absence of a scope number stamp which leads me to believe this to be a 'Less Scope'. I imagine this affects the price as a Savage rifle which went on to be fitted 'at the H&H workshop' with a scope is a pretty rare beast as I understand. The 'Less Scope' savage rifles being more common would be less valuable. I'm very tempted, but don't want to pay a premium for a rifle that isn't what the seller believes it to be, that is a 'completed' H&H sniper rifle.
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    1941 Mk.1, sn. 0C160, six groove barrel, matching throughout "less telescope" rifle.
    1942 Mk.1*, sn. 13C2927, Britishicon '45 date five groove barrel, matching throughout w/original Savage birch but mismatch sn. forend , "less telescope" rifle.

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    I somehow missed this thread, so here goes:

    0C1064 1941 Savage No. 4 Mk 1 (T)
    Circle T, several Enfield proofs and a large P on right rear of body next to bolt channel
    Marked TR and FTR on left side of socket. Rifle appears to have been suncorited during overhaul
    No S, T or S51 markings
    No scope number on wrist but there is evidence a previous number was sanded off
    '45 dated barrel
    Matching numbered magazine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigwagon View Post
    I somehow missed this thread, so here goes:

    0C1064 1941 Savage No. 4 Mk 1 (T)
    Circle T, several Enfield proofs and a large P on right rear of body next to bolt channel
    Marked TR and FTR on left side of socket. Rifle appears to have been suncorited during overhaul
    No S, T or S51 markings
    No scope number on wrist but there is evidence a previous number was sanded off
    '45 dated barrel
    Matching numbered magazine
    Very nice and similar marking to my 0C1551

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