When it really happens: SHTF...

[oldpaul]

In Seattle at the end of May more than twenty-seven people were arrested for criminal acts related to the riots. At the end of July more than forty-seven and mid August eighteen more for similar crimes. Some were able to make bail, a few were released for lack of evidence but everyone charged was issued a court date and whether they were released on bail or must sit in jail they will face the courts. Regardless of my States political leanings, the law is the law and is strenuously enforced and any assertions otherwise are wrong and just plain silly. Tom

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[USGI]

Regardless of my States political leanings, the law is the law and is strenuously enforced and any assertions otherwise are wrong and just plain silly. Tom

Wish that was true for Portland. I didn't know Seattle was any different. It'll be interesting to see how many of them are prosecuted. - Bob

[Ovidio]

Cheers. Enjoy the bourbon!

[Gil Boyd]

Lets hope those nose turner uppers all know how to use them "properly"

[30Three]

Question: If buying a firearm for the first time in the USA; what training or safety instructions go with it? Is there any requirement to know how to operate it safely?
I ask because in France, if you want a pistol or revolver; you need gun club membership for at least 6 months and pass a written safety exam; before requesting a licence to purchase. Which will need clearing by the local police force before you can buy.
So realistically you'll be shooting club guns for a year before you've got your own.

[usabaker]

Question: If buying a firearm for the first time in the USA; what training or safety instructions go with it? Is there any requirement to know how to operate it safely?

The answer depends on the state where a person lives; there are no national training or safety requirements other than having the firearms secured in a locked container. Some, not all, states have training requirements.

California requires that you have a California Firearms Safety Certificate(valid for five years from the date of issuance) or Hunting License (California Hunter Safety Course) and a background check before you can purchase a firearm. You must also go through background checks each time you purchase a firearm and every time you buy ammunition.

In California you must also keep all firearms in a California Certified Gun Safe;

An acceptable gun safe is either one the following:

A gun safe that meets all of the following standards:
Shall be able to fully contain firearms and provide for their secure storage.
Shall have a locking system consisting of at minimum a mechanical or electronic combination lock. The mechanical or electronic combination lock utilized by the safe shall have at least 10,000 possible combinations consisting of a minimum three numbers, letters, or symbols. The lock shall be protected by a case hardened (Rc 60+) drill resistant steel plate, or drill resistant material of equivalent strength.
Boltwork shall consist of a minimum of three steel locking bolts of at least 1/2-inch thickness that intrude from the door of the safe into the body of the safe or from the body of the safe into the door of the safe, which are operated by a separate handle and secured by the lock.
A gun safe shall be capable of repeated use. The exterior walls shall be constructed of a minimum 12-gauge thick steel for a single walled safe, or the sum of the steel walls shall add up to at least 0.100 inches for safes with two walls. Doors shall be constructed of a minimum one layer of 7-gauge steel plate reinforced construction or at least two layers of a minimum 12-gauge steel compound construction.
Door hinges shall be protected to prevent the removal of the door. Protective features include, but are not limited to: hinges not exposed to the outside, interlocking door designs, dead bars, jeweler's lugs and active or inactive locking bolts.
A gun safe that is able to fully contain firearms and provide for their secure storage, and is certified to/listed as meeting Underwriters Laboratories Residential Security Container rating standards by a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL).

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I ask because in France, if you want a pistol or revolver; you need gun club membership for at least 6 months and pass a written safety exam; before requesting a licence to purchase. Which will need clearing by the local police force before you can buy.
So realistically you'll be shooting club guns for a year before you've got your own.

That sucks, in the US we have the 2nd Amendment in our constitution; "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The comma between the State and The is key.

[Aragorn243]

In Pennsylvania, you want to purchase a long gun you have a couple of options. Buy one from your buddy and you hand him the cash, he hands you the gun. The other option is buying from a dealer. Then you must go through a background check which can take anywhere from 5 minutes to 3 hours depending on the day of the week and the number of sales going on that day statewide. Buying a handgun requires a background check no matter who you purchase it from.

No requirement for purchase, no requirement for locked storage although new firearms must come with a trigger lock which is usually a very cheap piece of plastic which is discarded immediately upon removal.

[30Three]

Thanks for your replies Gents.
We have similar requirements for safes and storage. We have a limit on purchasing factory ammunition quantity as well. So reloading is popular as less restrictive.
Also our handgun permit has to be renewed every 5 years. This was every 3 years up until 2013. So they have improved the system !
But at least we can still enjoy our pistol target shooting; it just means you have to accept the paperwork.

[Ovidio]

We had to renew it every 6 years, from 2015 (EU rules), every 5...
It did not improve here

[Aragorn243]

Back to Pandemic news which in the US turned into political maneuvering to expand it to keep various groups under control, The PA Supreme Court just ruled that they must count mail in votes up to three days after the election is over. Even if they are postmarked 2 days after the election. There is zero reason for this, it will not pass federal muster and is simply a means to muddy the water. Nashville TN was caught hiding the very low numbers of Covid transmission rates in bars and restaurants, 22 when nursing homes and the construction sector both had over 1000 each. Makes you wonder if the same holds true everywhere else. 70% of the deaths in PA were from Nursing homes. Our restaurants are below survive ability levels now, something like 30% will never open again.

Biden has discovered what Trump knew all along, it is outside the President's authority to mandate mask use. So he's changing his tune to requiring it only on Federal Lands. Not sure that passes muster either, Federal Buildings, yes, lands, not so sure. He's also now claiming that every single death could have been avoided. Pretty big statement.

New studies now also showing about 90% of people who have Covid are incapable of transmitting it as their levels are too low. Kind of destroys the need for masks although the CDC is doubling down on the wearing of them after months of saying there are ineffective.

High school football started tonight. Watching the game on TV. Only 100 people are allowed in stands that will hold several thousand because the Governor says no more than 250 people can attend a sporting event. wearing masks, spacing between families, they could easily get all the parents in there but he won't allow it.