Police: Man said 30,000 bullets were for target practice He is held on $500,000 bail

[shooterg]

Got a friend who's into Knob Creek stuff - he and his brother bought 650,000
.30 bullets at apop, resold a lot of 'em at a good price( I bought 10,000 myself, I'm such a terrible person !). I have no trouble at all with that. Most of the people at my local range would haveta be arrested if my state had the ridiculous Commie-pinko laws of MA. Forget the griping, justified or not, about hoarding - when they tell you what and how many of anything you can buy with your own damn money, we are no longer free people.

[JB White]

Why is it that those who have stockpiled are so defensive? "Whinning"...."Griping"....."Socialism" etc are immediately the labels they project upon the others who are discussing the facts.

Fact is there IS an ammo and component shortage.
Fact is there are people trying to be first to buy what they can before anyone else might get it.
Fact is there are people sitting on ammo and components now that they will probably never use.
Fact is the prices ARE artificially inflated.
Fact is that even if someone NEEDS any ammo or components they are more scarce than they have ever been.
Fact is there are indeed HOARDERS (not just stockpiling shooters) who are compounding the problem for everyone else. That includes Police depts!

This has all had a profound impact upon the majority of the shooting fraternity. If someone feels justified by having their own personal ammo dump then sobeit. However, don't start labeling and name calling those who have been adversely affected by it all.
If anyone has the right to buy whatever they see then the others surely have a right to openly discuss the reasons their procurements are suddenly more difficult than ever before. There is no double standard. Especially when it comes down to some of the truths behind the matter.

[FTIII]

I predict that if we do have a flu pandemic, you will watch your kids/grand kids die because somebody just like you is hoarding thousands of doses of vaccine


Attacking me is one thing, attacking my children and grand children to get to "me" proves the fact that you have lost the argument, you need help Red. Your "prediction" will be and is wrong Red but I guess in your perverted way you would hope for such a thing to be visited on me and for what? A BOX OF BULLETS, that you "thought" you should have got! Under normal conditions RED even in our heated debate on your "percieved" belief that I am a hoarder (evil & bad) which I am not I would sign "Regards" before typing my real name, but not this time. This time you go to hell you BaStARd.



BudT

[Ken C.]

It looks to me as though this thread, like a few others, has gotten pretty far afield from the original topic. That concerned a man being charged criminally in MA. Like some other threads which degenerated into name calling, we only know half a story to begin with and we all know there are TWO sides to everything. That being the case, I would only say he will have his day in court. As regards the rest, I dont care if anyone stocks up on whatever he can get, but I also remember "hoarding" from WW2, and it was universally frowned upon because it only exacerbated shortages. I dont mind going into a shop and paying more for what I need, but I hate the idea that it isnt there because some greedy bas---d who never reloaded a round and doesnt shoot very much has much more than he could ever use "stockpiled".

[Fick_2141]

Right now there is a huge increase in the demand for ammo, and components to make ammo. Industry can do what they can to increase supply to meet demand, but they know that this will be a temporary phenomenon. A large part of the demand isn't from the usual gun enthusiast or reloader, but from people that are scared and have been scared into thinking that a revolution or outright banning is eminent, or at least possible.
The emotion behind this phenominon is troubleing. Because of it, a few will behave in irrational ways that hurt the entire gun owning community. (shootings)
The rush to buy reloading components will eventually decrease the demand as consumers hold enormous surplusses of non degrading comodities.
The prices will fall to the point that a profit cannot be made and supply will be curtailed. By the time these suppliers can increase the capacity to meet the demand, they could be behind the curve and lose when demand stabilizes. Expanding to meet demand is very risky.
Greed is not the emotion behind the demand for components. The emotion is fear. If you were dieing of thirst in the desert, you would pay a solid gold bar for a gallon of water. There are no unfair prices, any more than there are preditory lenders. If you are willing to pay 10 cent per primer you will buy them just like the gallon of water for a gold bar. The consumer pays for his fear not the retailer. Just for grins substitute the words primers, powder, and bullets with "affordable housing", "health care", and "opprotunity" in your arguments, and you will find out that you are really a liberal that doesn't like free interprise because of it's unfairness in light of your emotions.

[John Sukey (Deceased)]

Normaly I don't bother chasing down ammo, BUT WHEN was the last time anyone saw piles of Greek (HXP) .303 ammo for sale? Sorry guys, but I buy it whenever I see it.!!!!!! If that upsets you, tough! I have LOTS of rifles in that calibre.

[milsurpman]

I guess Im an old time horder at least with primers. I was bit so bad during the clinton primer fiasco that I had to beg buddies to sell me a hundred. I am and have been a avid reloader. Mainly because I wanted to shoot obsolete military calibers. At that time, I bought by the 200 at the local shop.(I was a cheap skate) That experience made me so mad that I said never again. I buy in multiple case lots so I can weather any crazyness. like whats going on right now.

[John Kepler]

Normaly I don't bother chasing down ammo, BUT WHEN was the last time anyone saw piles of Greek (HXP) .303 ammo for sale? Sorry guys, but I buy it whenever I see it.!!!!!! If that upsets you, tough! I have LOTS of rifles in that calibre.

Hey John....who's got piles of HXP .303? If you know where some is....I'll do a little "hoarding" myself!

[JB White]

If I owned hungry rock-n-roll toys I'd have had a few cases of that HXP 303 myself. That's not hoarding. That's having just enough to get by. LOL

[shooterg]

How 'bout substituting "money" ? Shame on all the people/companies that saved for the lean times. We'll show those "hoarders", we'll just take it away from 'em and redistribute it. Guess you can do the same with primers/powder/etc. Call it a shooter's bailout.