Enfield n°4 mk i* (t) - ri001

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Is this an original British/Hebrew all matching No. 4 T sniper?: http://www.armes-nowak.com/ri001

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[CINDERS]

Where does the Hebrew come in to the equation, what you can do is a thread search top Rt side of the page (Search Milsurps.com) on the Sniper T to get the information relating to the correct marks (Stamps) and their location the elevation turret looks like it has been refurbished as the numerals are bright close up clear pics of the items of interest aides those qualified to help you with your journey.
Looks a tidy piece

[Seaforth72]

An interesting sniper equipment. It appears to be a legitimate set with some minor variations from the British standard.

A 1943 BSA Shirley (M47C) serial number A9361 (the four numbers have been restamped on the socket). This number also appears on the underside of the forestock.
Typical sniper equipment markings "TR", "S", "S51", "T" photos do not seem to show the bolt serial number but they say it is all matching. Front scope pad is single staked which suggests post-war British service. The replaced back sight could have been done in British or Israeli service.

Scope 9601 matches the number stamped on the wrist of the butt. This appears to be "matching in-service" rather than "matching as converted." Scope 9601 appears to be second one assigned to this rifle as there appears to be a cancelled scope serial number as well.

The back sight was made by Stevens-Savage which is not typical for 1943 and it is almost certainly a later replacement as these became available after Stevens-ApSavage ceased production of No. 4 MK.I* rifles in mid-1944. I note that where the battle sight was milled or ground off, the metal is bright suggesting that it was done in the post-war years as it does not seem to have aged.

The scope Case No. 8 MK. I with squared corners is numbered to both this rifle and this scope on the exterior of the lid and marked in Hebrew. The rubber (?) round fitting on the inside of the lid is new to me. Has anyone seen one of these before? It appears to be intended to press down and help secure the scope when it is in the case. The scope adjusting tool fitting is for the clamp type No.1Mk.I that looks a bit like pliers.

Scope bracket clamps have the numbers A49 and A50. Who made the bracket?

The large knobs in the bracket are different from what I have seen previously as they both have slots cut into them, allowing a straight bar to be engaged to give leverage like a Tommy-bar to tighten or loosen the scope bracket. No rifle SN stamped on bracket that I can see using an iPad.

The text seems (my French is rusty) to say that it was used by the Hagana in 1949. I wonder about this and how they "know" this. Does the Hebrew lettering say that? I would expect the Israeli Defence Forces to mark their equipment, but not a guerrilla unit.

Overall a nice set with some interesting history. It does look real to me with minor in-service changes in Israeli service e.g. Some markings, possibly a changed scope and what might be an Israeli made bracket. I leave it to others who have had a chance to examine ex-Israeli examples to comment further.

[Roger Payne]

It's real. Rifle serial is originally AS 9361. BSA late-ish 1943. Wood by Sykes Ltd (SL/N74). The Savage rear sight does look very brightly polished where the battle aperture has been removed, though many Savage made rear sights were fitted to 1943 BSA 4T's by H&H as they were supplied with a quantity to use on rifles that had passed the accuracy tests for conversion to T's but had come with Mk2, 3 or 4 rear sights. Bracket is a Dalgleish of UK WW2 production. Scope tin looks to have one or two minor Israeli mods as previously mentioned.

[Peter Laidler]

That's a genuine as they come. We would often re-stamp the serial number.

[Lee Enfield]

I'm more interested in the stock repairs to the forend??

[Seaforth72]

By the way, it is a No. 4 MK. I (T), not a No. 4 MK. I*(T) as described by the seller as as repeated in this forum thread's title.

[Roger Payne]

Yep, forend repaired under receiver ring. I think it would be wise to take a look at the barrelled action out of the woodwork before considering buying.

[Peter Laidler]

I did have a half look at the fore-end repairs and tho0ught to myself that the dovetail (left side) was 180 degrees out to be a dovetail joint as such and in both, the patch was against the grain which wouldn't be acceptable to us. But look well done and if pegged, acceptable. But what was he patching to go in from the sides?

[Surpmil]

Attachment 71236Attachment 71237The backsight has been filed down in a way that one would hope no armourer would ever do, and then left in the white? That seems rather odd. I'm guessing it left service without one and that was added later. As we know snipers sometimes removed the backsight so that they could withdraw the bolt without removing the scope, and thus clean the barrel from the breach with a rod.

The bracket looks Rose Bros. to me: rounded main "frame" and corresponding rounded "rib" on the backside - when did their production cease again? The "cap and cradle" numbers on the bracket have been restruck obviously, but perhaps the same as they were before. A little odd to see the ring caps screws are not staked, but the pad screws are? Weren't both SOPs, at least in UK service?

Cheekrest is not an original with that grain is it?

One can see the round "shadow" from the stamps used on the forend; usually a hallmark of modern number stamps I believe.

Scope number on the butt looks legit, but would be nice to see the other number as well. Looks like it has another digit.

Seems the Israelis didn't like having the front thumb screw rattling around against the case lid; wise modification to put the rubber bumper in. I wonder what tools the two other clips were for?

Handguard needs pushing back and the butt's not seated properly.

Trigger shape looks like a SMLE trigger and those look like Enfield(?) inspection stamps on it. Done to get a grooved trigger or could it be there is an old single stage sear and trigger fitted? Israelis might have done that if the sniper preferred a single stage trigger?