Pattern 1913 Hooked Quillon Trials Bayonet Real Deal or Fake?

[therno]

Came accross this the other day. It is what appears to be a Pattern 1913 Trials rifle bayonet w/ Hook Quillon. Marked with Crown 1913 Dated 3 13 EFD. Several inspector marks and broad arrow on the reverse side. Has a number 532 stamped on the pommel. Compared it to several Pattern 08 and Pattern 13 (P14 Winchester and Remington) bayonets that I have. Marks look very legit? Any thoughts?
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[jsmosby]

The date is critical in that it must not be later than latest manufacturing year. I can't remember what that date is at the moment but I believe it to be 1913. I've only seen one on th loose priced at sightly over $1K. Needless to say I studied it and left it on the table. I'd grab it if the price is at a point that you can afford to loose.

[bigduke6]

I,m not an expert, but the only trials 1913 bayonets for the pattern 1913 rifle I know of were made by Vickers and only small numbers 1000-1500 made ? only ever seen one (in the flesh) and was a few years back. Old Smithy is the one to contact in the Edged weapons forum.


Added info Just searched pattern 1913 bayonet on google, and this came up from the IWM see link

sword bayonet for Enfield .276 experimental rifle Pattern 1913 [.276 experimental] | Imperial War Museums

[therno]

Thanks, I did see that link for the IWM. From what I can gather there were bayonet made by both Vicker and Enfield. Vickers also did a very small run of Pattern 13 bayonets latern in the war that were intened for the P14 Rifle, but stop because of production problems.

[Aragorn243]

Why would the crown be so faint, to the point of disappearing and the date stamps be so crisp right on top of it?

[bigduke6]

Why would the crown be so faint, to the point of disappearing and the date stamps be so crisp right on top of it?

Thought about that myself but could only think it was a 1907 blade that has been scrubbed of the 1907, and maybe removed some of the crown ? then stamped 1913, still a bit rough in my opinion but the quillion does look good, but still very easy to produce (the quillion) so I,d be very reluctant to part with my cash, until some of the big collectors chirp in.

[therno]

That bothered me also, that it might have been ground down. After looking at the example they have on te IWM site (link above) it does not look that far off? Given that it is much nicer example. The date stamps on the IWM example are also much sharper than the crown. The fonts for the date numbers on both examples see to match. I am adding a image of the side profile of the blade.

[therno]

It does fit my P14 rifle. If it was pattern 07 it would not fit. Lucky I do not have very much a investment in it so if it is a dud it is not the end of the world. I got it off a retired US Marine

[browningautorifle]

The crown is lighter because they were all stamped at a different point. The crown first, then all the hand marks. They won't all match. I think this one's rough enough that it's probably correct. Most repros are done up to be beautiful...After all, there ARE models of 1913 around, they aren't ALL fakes. This one you can examine for years until you're satisfied...

[gew8805]

It looks quite good to me. "Uneven" stamps are not at all unusual of British bayonets.