Presentation M1's - Looking for pictures

[apothegm]

Anyone have receiver pics of presentation carbine? Closeups of area behind the rear sight and in front of the bolt would be very helpful.

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[Mike Henning]

Why??

[apothegm]

I have a mystery Inland with no serial number behind the rear sight and no evidence of grinding or tampering. I'm about to take it in to the local BATF office and would like to take it with me when I leave. The area in front of the bolt has been ground down and I thought it might have been a presentation piece, but I'm curious as to what might have been obliterated from that front area. Pics of other presentation carbines might give me a clue.

[BrianQ]

I have a mystery Inland with no serial number behind the rear sight and no evidence of grinding or tampering.

It sure does have evidence of grinding both in the front and the rear.

Now ask yourself one question.

Why would a company make a presentation carbine and remove their own name?

[Milsurp Collector]

I have a mystery Inland with no serial number behind the rear sight and no evidence of grinding or tampering. I'm about to take it in to the local BATF office and would like to take it with me when I leave.

Before you get a new serial number, it might be possible to recover the original serial number of the carbine with modern forensic techniques:

http://lucy.mrs.org/2006brazil/wedpix/j502.pdf
http://www.mfrc.ameslab.gov/R-D_Repo...le_Final-1.pdf

[wtmr]

Picasa Web Albums - marcus - NPM from OGRAM It has new ATF serial number stamped on left side of receiver below the woodline

[apothegm]

Hi Brian - I'm not convinced that the area behind the sight has been altered. The question I have asked myself and am asking the board, is, why did someone go to so much trouble to grind off -

U.S. CARBINE
CAL .30 M1

[BrianQ]

Not convinced. Okay, how many Inland receivers in the sub 50,000 serial number range have you compared your receiver to come up with the determination the roll stamps were not ground off?

The evidence of grinding is present at the front of the receiver and the shape of the receiver behind the rear sight has been altered on yours. Both indicate the roll stamps were ground off.

Inland made more presentation carbines than all the other manufacturers combined. All of them had the Inland name and special serial numbers in the normal location as well as the front receiver ring markings.

[Milsurp Collector]

Underwood presentation carbine (not mine)

Hi Brian - I'm not convinced that the area behind the sight has been altered. The question I have asked myself and am asking the board, is, why did someone go to so much trouble to grind off -

U.S. CARBINE
CAL .30 M1

With 1911 pistols serial numbers and other markings were sometimes removed by civilian owners to try and hide the US Government Property status of the firearm The M1911 Pistols Organization Forums Site - Serial Number

I hope you didn't get that carbine from someone in a different state. While it is legal to own a firearm that never had a serial number, a firearm that has had its serial number removed or obliterated is another matter:

§ 178.34 Removed, obliterated, or altered serial number.


No person shall knowingly transport, ship, or receive in interstate or foreign commerce any firearm which has had the importer's or manufacturer's serial number removed, obliterated, or altered, or possess or receive any firearm which has had the importer's or manufacturer's serial number removed, obliterated, or altered and has, at any time, been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.


[T.D. ATF-313, 56 FR 32508, July 17, 1991]

ATF - The Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618

[Piercesaw]

Hi Brian - I'm not convinced that the area behind the sight has been altered. The question I have asked myself and am asking the board, is, why did someone go to so much trouble to grind off -

U.S. CARBINE
CAL .30 M1

Maybe it was U.S. Carbine CAL. 30 m2 that was ground off.