+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 20

Thread: CRB on Ross M10 - What does it mean

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #1
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    Transitsc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Last On
    12-17-2015 @ 11:11 PM
    Posts
    13
    Local Date
    10-31-2024
    Local Time
    05:46 PM

    Question CRB on Ross M10 - What does it mean

    Just currious, but what exactly does CRB mean that is stamped into the receiver ring of some Ross M10's.

    I've read it could mean one of three things:

    1) Canadianicon Railway Battalion
    2) Canadian Ranger Battalion
    3) Canadian Reserve Battalion

    Can anyone shed some light on this?
    Information
    Warning: This is a relatively older thread
    This discussion is older than 360 days. Some information contained in it may no longer be current.

  2. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Posts
    All Threads
    A Collector's View - The SMLE Short Magazine Lee Enfield 1903-1989. It is 300 8.5x11 inch pages with 1,000+ photo’s, most in color, and each book is serial-numbered.  Covering the SMLE from 1903 to the end of production in India in 1989 it looks at how each model differs and manufacturer differences from a collecting point of view along with the major accessories that could be attached to the rifle. For the record this is not a moneymaker, I hope just to break even, eventually, at $80/book plus shipping.  In the USA shipping is $5.00 for media mail.  I will accept PayPal, Zelle, MO and good old checks (and cash if you want to stop by for a tour!).  CLICK BANNER to send me a PM for International pricing and shipping. Manufacturer of various vintage rifle scopes for the 1903 such as our M73G4 (reproduction of the Weaver 330C) and Malcolm 8X Gen II (Unertl reproduction). Several of our scopes are used in the CMP Vintage Sniper competition on top of 1903 rifles. Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Specializing in premium ammunition and reloading components. Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

  3. #2
    Administrator

    Site Owner
    Badger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last On
    @
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Age
    76
    Posts
    12,967
    Real Name
    Doug
    Local Date
    10-31-2024
    Local Time
    06:46 PM
    My Videos in Video Club
    12
    A great qutesion with lots of opinions....

    Here's a couple of past threads on MILSURPS.COM where a number of opinions have been offered.

    M10 Ross Question

    Ross Rifle Company M10 Military Rifle - $950 (Cdn)

    Hope this helps...

    Regards,
    Badger

  4. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  5. #3
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    Transitsc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Last On
    12-17-2015 @ 11:11 PM
    Posts
    13
    Local Date
    10-31-2024
    Local Time
    05:46 PM
    Thread Starter
    Thanks Badger!!

  6. #4
    Legacy Member Cantom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last On
    05-24-2021 @ 08:44 AM
    Location
    Ontario Canada
    Posts
    411
    Real Name
    Tom
    Local Date
    10-31-2024
    Local Time
    06:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Transitsc View Post
    Just currious, but what exactly does CRB mean that is stamped into the receiver ring of some Ross M10's.

    I've read it could mean one of three things:

    1) Canadianicon Railway Battalion
    2) Canadian Ranger Battalion
    3) Canadian Reserve Battalion

    Can anyone shed some light on this?
    I also would like to know. I just acquired a Ross Mk III with CRB on the receiver as well. (see second pic down low-CRB)
    There seems to have been a production run done for the Canadian government around WWII era, I've had a couple and seen more. Barrels shortened, stock cut down etc.

    I've heard Alberta Lands and Forests.
    Canadian Rangers.
    Canadian Reserve Battalion.

    4 digit s/n in the 2XXX range.
    Barrel is shiny with nice rifling, but there seems to be a bulge part way down bore, cleaning rod brush catches a bit.
    Beautiful stock and wood grain, bluing on trigger guard and magazine almost like new. Cosmetically very nice.

    No front or rear sights or barrel band, needed on other projects.

    Any estimates on value?





    Last edited by Cantom; 09-26-2009 at 08:52 PM.

  7. #5
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    buffdog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Last On
    12-02-2013 @ 11:01 AM
    Location
    Manitoba, Canada
    Posts
    191
    Local Date
    10-31-2024
    Local Time
    04:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Transitsc View Post
    Just currious, but what exactly does CRB mean that is stamped into the receiver ring of some Ross M10's.

    I've read it could mean one of three things:

    1) Canadianicon Railway Battalion
    2) Canadian Ranger Battalion
    3) Canadian Reserve Battalion

    Can anyone shed some light on this?
    I just came across some interesting information. The Canadian Rangers were originally issued Ross rifles, and later Lee Enfields.

    See: CRB Canadian Rangers
    Canadian Government Order-in-Council Number 1644
    May 23, 1947

  8. #6
    Advisory Panel smellie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Last On
    01-14-2019 @ 09:17 AM
    Location
    Virden, Man. Pop 3250, 4 miles from Wolverine's range!
    Posts
    632
    Local Date
    10-31-2024
    Local Time
    06:46 PM
    Gentlemen, I think it might be profitable were we to widen the scope of our search.

    We have long wondered (including myself for 25 years) as to the origin of the PLY Rosses and we have found precisely NOTHING. All that we know is NEGATIVE: there is/ was/never has been any Canadianicon formation using these letters. THEN an intelligent chap (not myself, let it be noted) widened the search and came up with the Royal Marines out of PLYmouth. The mystery of all those PLY rifles appears to be on its way to being solved... at last.

    THAT got some of our minds partly-awake (for a change, in my case) as we were slapped in the proverbial face with a wet lutefisk by the realisation of four facts and their import:
    1. in Canadian service, the normal place to stamp Ross formation marks was on the wood;
    2. Britishicon practice required formation stampings on the metal;
    3. the PLY rifles are stamped on the metal;
    4. the CRB rifles are stamped on the metal, as are other formation marks.

    Should we not be broadening our search to include the BRITISH formations, built up hastily in the early stages of the Great War especially, to which the turned-in Canadian Rosses were given as emergency-issue pieces in the interim until Lee-Enfields became available?

    Also, should we not be considering PRIVATE groups which may have required numbers of cheap surplus rifles for guard duty during LATER troubles? I am minded of a reported CPR Ross; will try to find out more.

    And we should always be aware that better than HALF of the world supply of Rosses, especially Mark IIIs, ended up in Russiaicon. There is room there for a LOT of unknown formation markings AND for a lot of fill-in numbers on the series now are beginning to identify.

    But we should widen our search. The rifles bring their histories with them, but they can only speak to us so loudly. WE have to listen and sort it all out.

    If you think I'm on the wrong track here, blast away.

  9. Thank You to smellie For This Useful Post:


  10. #7
    Advisory Panel tiriaq's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last On
    Today @ 04:17 PM
    Location
    Central Ontario
    Age
    78
    Posts
    1,103
    Local Date
    10-31-2024
    Local Time
    06:46 PM
    With respect to CRB. Has anyone seen an official reference to a "Canadianicon Ranger Battalion", as opposed to "Canadian Rangers"?

  11. #8
    Advisory Panel smellie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Last On
    01-14-2019 @ 09:17 AM
    Location
    Virden, Man. Pop 3250, 4 miles from Wolverine's range!
    Posts
    632
    Local Date
    10-31-2024
    Local Time
    06:46 PM
    I believe that there was indeed a "Canadianicon Ranger Battalion" formed in the early part of the Great War, taking former Imperial troops, cowboys and so forth, much the same mixture as the PPCLI started off with.

    I have no idea what became of them. Nicholson will know.

  12. #9
    Advisory Panel Surpmil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Last On
    @
    Location
    West side
    Posts
    4,846
    Local Date
    10-31-2024
    Local Time
    03:46 PM
    Was that the Legion of Frontiersmen you were thinking of Smellie?
    “There are invisible rulers who control the destinies of millions. It is not generally realized to what extent the words and actions of our most influential public men are dictated by shrewd persons operating behind the scenes.”

    Edward Bernays, 1928

    Much changes, much remains the same.

  13. #10
    Advisory Panel smellie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Last On
    01-14-2019 @ 09:17 AM
    Location
    Virden, Man. Pop 3250, 4 miles from Wolverine's range!
    Posts
    632
    Local Date
    10-31-2024
    Local Time
    06:46 PM
    No, I am aware of them but never met anyone from them. There were all kinds of outfits at the start of that War. Ever hear of the Yukon Volunteers? I knew a man who was with them, quit and joined the Yukon Machine Gun Company. He told me that as far as he was aware the YV were still in the square in Dawson, drilling with broomsticks!

    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that there ALSO were the "Canadianicon Rangers" 'way back then. Problem is that so much has been forgotten. Our collective memory tends to be somewhat disgraceful, especially when we don't need our heroes any longer.

    Heinlein put it rather succinctly in his novel "Glory Road" (about a guy who comes back from 'Nam and gets a job killing dragons: neat story) when he said "Unemployed hero = bum."

    Same thing today, of course. There was a rant on one of these forums a while back about the 'thugs' who have 'invaded' Afghanistan. I shoot with some of those 'thugs' and regard them as friends, respect what they are trying to do. Others do not. These particular 'thugs' are called the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry and they are attempting to make some kind of Peace and Stability out of Chaos. A worthy objective? I would think, but my name isn't bin Laden.

    It's not surprising that entire units have disappeared from the normal ken of things; it is down to use to keep at least their names alive. But I am pretty sure that Nicholson also mentioned Canadian Rangers. They could well have been mixed in with some other formation. It's all very confusing because the peacetime Militia was organised on a Regimental basis, but went to war in Battalions, then reverted to Regiments when the Peace came in 1919.

    But I do believe that there were Rangers early in the Great War.

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Ross .280?
    By The Queens Medalist 86,87 in forum The Ross Rifle Knowledge Library Collectors Forum
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 03-29-2007, 08:17 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts