Could Someone Please Help Me Identify This Enfield?

[daviddesper]

Hello all, I am new here. Looks like a great sight! I have been a collector of arms for the past twenty years however I don't know much about the Lee Enfields. My grandfather recently passed and left me this rifle. Could someone please help me gather some information about it. He did serve in WWII and I'm just dying to figure out all I can about this rifle. The number or make is not stamped anywhere on it!

The only stamps on the rifle are H.M. Co Ltd, England, a couple of really small crowns, SM under barrel and 3c3 2.22 NP 18.5 - TONS on end of barrel. Also stamped m 1942 with serial number J13660. All serials match.

Please help me ID this rifle and provide as much information about it as possible.

Thank you!
David

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[bradtx]

David, Welcome to the forum.

You have a Royal Ordinance Factory / Maltby manufactured rifle, abbreviated ROFM or simply, Maltby. It was produced in 1942.

Brad

[daviddesper]

Is it a No4 MK1?

[No4Mk1(T)]

Looks like a No4Mk1 made by ROF Maltby. Unfortunately it’s been drilled and tapped for the scope mount and also looks to have been through a post war refurb. If the safety is as far forward as it will go it’s not assembled correctly. The butt plate is from a Savage unless it’s got the C-Broad Arrow stamp on it in which case it was one that was shipped to Canada when production at Savage stopped. The sling looks to be a US M1907 correct for a M1903, M1917 or M1 Garand depending on the year of production. They were also used on No4Mk1(T) Sniper rifles. And lastly I’m guessing a BIC lighter?

[daviddesper]

I don't think it's been through a refurb. It could have been but I doubt it. The safety does go further and the rifle is very accurate but has serious recoil with that butt plate. There is no C-Broad arrow on the butt plate.
Thank you that helps alot! Anymore information is appreciated!
BTW I just read somewhere that the No4 Mk1 averages 3 MOA! Headed to the range this weekend to see what I get with this one but I am sure its better than 3 MOA at 100 yards.

Looks like a No4Mk1 made by ROF Maltby. Unfortunately it’s been drilled and tapped for the scope mount and also looks to have been through a post war refurb. If the safety is as far forward as it will go it’s not assembled correctly. The butt plate is from a Savage unless it’s got the C-Broad Arrow stamp on it in which case it was one that was shipped to Canada when production at Savage stopped. The sling looks to be a US M1907 correct for a M1903, M1917 or M1 Garand depending on the year of production. They were also used on No4Mk1(T) Sniper rifles. And lastly I’m guessing a BIC lighter?

[bradtx]

David, Maltby only produced the MkI.

No4Mk1(T), The mazak/ZAMAK buttplates are fairly common on mid wartime Maltbys and Fazakerleys. I've never seen a BSA-Shirley with one, tho'.

Just a thought, but wouldn't a Long Branch/CA rearsenal likely have a steel buttplate?

Brad

[JBS]

Muzzle Stamp, placed by British Government prior to sale to the public.

SM 3c3
2.22 = Case length
NP = Nitro Proofed
18.5 Tons = Chamber pressure

[No4Mk1(T)]

No4Mk1(T), The mazak/ZAMAK buttplates are fairly common on mid wartime Maltbys and Fazakerleys. I've never seen a BSA-Shirley with one, tho'.

Thanks for reminding me Brad. I know that but had managed to forget. Good catch!

Just a thought, but wouldn't a Long Branch/CA rearsenal likely have a steel buttplate?

Brad

I’ve seen a few obvious post-war Long Branch refurbs that still have a Zamak butt plate. I had for a number of years a beautiful 1943 Long Branch that almost looked un-issued until you realized it was park’ed that had one.

[bradtx]

No4Mk1(T), Through the forums we not only have our personal collections, but a virtual collection of thousands.

I have to sheepishly report that my '43-'51 CA rearsenaled Long Branch has an alloy buttplate...head fully extracted, you may've heard the loud pop! I'll just walk around with my head down kicking small stones for awhile.

Brad

[No4Mk1(T)]

No4Mk1(T), Through the forums we not only have our personal collections, but a virtual collection of thousands.

I have to sheepishly report that my '43-'51 CA rearsenaled Long Branch has an alloy buttplate...head fully extracted, you may've heard the loud pop! I'll just walk around with my head down kicking small stones for awhile.

Brad

That loud slobbering, sloshing sound you heard earlier this morning was me extracting my foot from my mouth so think nothing of it.