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Winchester/Underwood Model 1944 (USMC) model
Does anyone have one! Love to see the real thing
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07-13-2011 10:45 AM
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What are you talking about? I don't there was a special USMC M1 carbine.
Are you talking about a lineout or a receiver that was sold by Underwood to Winchester?
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Harrison book ( THE M1 CARBINE 111) page 145.The WRA 1944 USMC That`s what I`m talking about. Unless I`m reading it wrong... Often happens lol. Also when your done reading that, go to page24 same book and read WRA model 1944. no.15 bottom of the page
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I don't have any of Harrison's books.
They are known to be the worst.
Others may chime in, but the only group I know of to get a special carbine was the paratroopers with the M1A1.
I have 3 1944 Winchesters and all three are differant.
Two have flip sights and of those two one has a T1 band one has a T2 and the third has a stamped sight and T2 band. Only the earliest one has a highwood stock and the other two have lowwood's. So I'm not sure how Harrison could call out any one as THE 1944 model WRA.
I'm not trying to be a smart A** just wasn't sure what you meant as I don't have the book to see what Harrison was talking about.
Dave
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I like to get my hands on as many different m1 carbine books I can, This way I can see how many agree. All Harrison knowledge can`t be all wrong. And I`m sure he`s right on a lot of things,maybe not as right as others , So you take from them all.And learn what you can from books and forums. Ask a lot of stupid questions and hope you get a smart ans.At least that`s what I do
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As USGI said the Harrison books are the worst for correct information. A lot of his information has been shown to be out of date or flat outright wrong. Even when he knew his information was not right he refused to change it in the editions that followed. Get US M1 carbine wartime production by Craig Riesch. It is in the 6th edition and he trys to correct any bad information when ever possible. But all of the research books have wrong information. Just that some have a lot less then others. If you can afford it get War baby and War baby comes Home by Larry Ruth. They are the most complete reference books of them all.
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So are we to say , that those carbines are just not true. Bill
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I do not remember the year but a guy was doing a beautiful job circa late 1970's. I saw a mid 1943 Winchester marked 1943 on the stock and USMC.He did not know which items were correct. He had a Winchester Bay Lug on it and a Hemphill Stamped Adjustable sight. The carbine was beautiful, but a big fake.
He made up fake NM Garands made supposedly by International Harvester too. He took nice clean mix masters carbine and Garands and added parts he had altered or changed and sold the stuff for 3 to 4 times the price.
Most of what he made never existed, so he could get big money.
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The Ordnance Department managed the carbine produrement program. The department was part of Army Service Forces. That was the only source of carbines (and virtually everything else in ordnance short of naval guns and ammo). Planning documents show hundreds of thousands of carbines going to the Navy - way more than the Navy would need for their own uses, so it only makes sense that many of those were for the Marines.
If Harrison had spent two hours in the National Archives learning about the procurement program he wouldn't have made that error. If he had read any of several official Army histories on WWII logistics, he would have seen many references that would have led him to this simple answer. But he didn't. I don't rely on a writer who knows little of the big picture and who lacks the curiosity to find out.
"Everybody does it" is no defense for egregious errors in books. Sure, we're all human, but an inability to locate straightforward facts (or to be led to the answer through an understanding of the big picture surrounding the subject being written about) is incompetence and doesn't deserve to be rewarded.
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Thank You to firstflabn For This Useful Post:
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Thanks, you have ans my question. So the USMC 6th marine div. honor company, Hawaii in the year 1945 did not rec any carbine that had any thing stamped in one inch block letters stating USMC. on the bottom of the stock Bill
Last edited by topaz; 07-13-2011 at 09:01 PM.