Help with unit ID. Ross 1910

[koldt]

Hi guys. I'm wondering if anyone may be able to identify the unit marking on my Ross butt? Or might it just be a rack number?
Thanks for any assistance.

Here it is.


On this butt.


On this rifle.

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[Jean]

I believe it is a rack number, rather than a unit number.

[Oatmeal Savage]

Koldt, as usual, nice rifle!

[Claven2]

I think 117 is a rack number. 451 is the serial number. 1916 is the issue (and probably mfgr too) year.

Unit marking is often found on the front side of the stock's pistol grip.

[Badger]

I also think the 117 is a rack number..........

In our Canada - Milsurp Knowledge Library (click here), there's a good example of a 1916 M10 Ross MkIII* (click here).

It's clearly marked on the right side of the butt 16th Battalion C.E.F., which is The Canadian Scottish Regiment (Princess Mary's).

Click the thumbnails below for pics, or use the link in the MKL entry to go to the complete 77 picture photo montage of this piece.

Regards,
Badger

[koldt]

Here are some more pics.
First one is a pic of the bottom grip area.

Looks like a "Z" over "718". Also note the 1916 dated sling. Everything date matches. 1916 dated rifle, bayonet, sling .


Here is the '16 dated bayonet.


Wondering about the "11" on the grip over the 5/16???


And the markings "43R.63" at the throat of the scabbard?

[green]

11 is for Pattern 1911 year of introduction of the MkII bt.

[koldt]

11 is for Pattern 1911 year of introduction of the MkII bt.

Thanx.....

[chislerboy]

The CEF 15 is "CANADIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCE 1915". You also and ONLY see 14 and 16 (rare). Absolutely not 15th Batt. CEF. P.B. Ennis. I have confirmed in conversation with another ex-pat. Canadian who has been involved with Ross weapons for some 50 years my, suspicion is now confirmed that there are fake CIRCULAR CEF DATE STAMPS out there. Buyer be aware! The correct place to see an original stamping is typically NOT ON THE RIGHT-SIDE BUTT (I will not provide this info to the fakers). Also the CEF stamp MUST NOT PRE-DATE the rifle, but be the same manufacture date found on the side of the rifle; however, it can post date the gun. Hence a rifle made in 1914 may have a CEF 15-16 stamp. BUT a rifle made in 1916 CANNOT have a CEF 14-15 stamp, if so....FAKE!!

[tiriaq]

I wonder what the significance of CEF 19 is then?
Here I thought it referred to the 19th Bn. of the CEF, Lincoln and Welland.
Turns out it is "CANADIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCE 1919". Very late issue indeed.