Beautiful Bringback, question is, how rare?

[karbine kat]

Hi guys, my first post, please forgive any mistakes. I have been collecting Carbines for many years, time I joined in! Lucked up on one I think may be pretty rare, the seller garranteed it was a bringback by his uncle that had never been touched. I've never seen anything like it. Did my research in War Baby, pages 383-384, it's all there. Actually thought it was a parts gun until I got it home and disassembled it. This gun is in beautiful original condition.
Here's what I found ........ Quality Hardware, I cut, high wood, S# 16007xx. Inland barrel dated 6-43, flip sight sq. S on left Q (only) on right side, hand guard and sling slot marked RMC, (here's the one that threw me for a loop) the crossed cannon, it is the same as an Inland except much larger than an Inland, a full 3/16 larger (the outer ring) I have had many Inlands so as soon as I saw it I knew it was larger. Front sight JQ, sling swivel QU, trigger housing QN-L, I don't know how much I can write here so let me just say every part inside is clearly coded for Quality Hardware. My hope is to find someone tha can verify how many Carbines were produced like this. My email, if it's okay to give it, is dippstic@aol.com. My name is Gene, pleased to meet you all!

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[dbarn]

Congratulations on your early QHMC find. Per Carbine Club NL #334 Quality H.M.C. Update by Ron Wellman, your QHMC appears correct. Your Inland Barrel date of 6-43 falls in the reported range of 1600xxx to 1610xxx. The QU swivel was reported to 16024xx. The highest reported square S sight with Q on right side is 1599617. The Rock-Ola supplied stock with the early large CC close to I-cut is reported to 1625251. Sounds like you have a very desirable early QHMC. I have 1558xxx. It has a type 1 Q LT hammer and the type 2 Q DA slide. Some of the early QHMC flip sights were staked with a round punch. Here's a photo. Join the CC and fill out a data sheet. Best regards.

[karbine kat]

Congratulations on your early QHMC find. Per Carbine Club NL #334 Quality H.M.C. Update by Ron Wellman, your QHMC appears correct. Your Inland Barrel date of 6-43 falls in the reported range of 1600xxx to 1610xxx. The QU swivel was reported to 16024xx. The highest reported square S sight with Q on right side is 1599617. The Rock-Ola supplied stock with the early large CC close to I-cut is reported to 1625251. Sounds like you have a very desirable early QHMC. I have 1558xxx. It has a type 1 Q LT hammer and the type 2 Q DA slide. Some of the early QHMC flip sights were staked with a round punch. Here's a photo. Join the CC and fill out a data sheet. Best regards.

Hi dbarn, thanks for the picture of your sight showing the stake marks, mine has the same stake marks. I'm going to try to add a picture of my sight, with the other pictures on my previous post, to confirm that on these early Quality Hardware Carbines this was the standard way to stake the sight, by the way I have never seen this type stake mark on any other make, has anyone? Regards, Karbine Kat (Gene)

[dbarn]

Although round stake marks on flip sights were obviously used with early QHMC carbines, doubtful that many early Qualities exist in their orignal configuration. Beyond those early examples, round stake marks were seldom used. Most were either small or large chisel type, or none at all. Round stake marks are usually associated with later carbines where adjustable sights were correct, or with rebuilds where round crater type stake marks were used.

However there is a difference. Where applied on original flip sight carbines, the round stake mark is applied an an angle in order to push metal toward the sight. The location of the stake marks are positioned differently also. Notice the QHMC above, where the employee dented the edges of the flip sight creating a bulge on either side.

Have only had one other carbine to come my way that is believed to have it's flip sight originally staked with a round punch, photo enclosed.

[frankderrico]

Sounds great how about some pictures?....Frank

[painter777]

Very nice find.......
Thanks for sharing and a welcome to you !

Regards
Charlie-painter777

[Tired Retired]

Yea!!!! Let's see the sexy gun por_ ... I mean the pictures of this as it really was piece...

[RCS]

Some years ago I gave my son a Quality HMC in the 1.603xxx serial range. I keep a small data sheet which had the following: barrel was Underwood 7-43, stock was Hi-wood I cut with a small crossed cannon on the right side near the grip. In the sling well it was marked RMC with a large P. My question: the flip sight had only the rounded S nothing else was marked - would this rear sight have been correct for the time period ?

[dbarn]

RCS, the rounded S flip sight, with no markings on the right side, was reported from 1582xxx to 1645375, and also on 1896528. hth.

[Jim Nasium]

More photos Sir!! Please!! Really nice early gun!!

jim