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    Question Help an Enfield Newbie get started with first rifle?

    I just bought this Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk 2 rifle, my first British battle rifle. Markings on the receiver are: 303 British, United Kingdomicon, IAC ALFX VA (preceding group very difficult to read), then, 12/49 PF 165255 . On the butt stock these numbers are stenciled in white paint: 7.F 5/G7. Stamped on the top left of trigger guard are numerals: 51. On the left side of the wrist/stock band are a small stamped arrow with n/c5 stamped below it, and finally there is a small “s” stamped on the right side bottom of the same band.
    On the underside of the forward stock, just a couple of inches from the muzzle, I can barely make out a number (wood may have been sanded & refinished at some time) which seem to be: 53053
    So, was my rifle made in Dec. of 1949? What does “PF” indicate? Do I understand correctly that the serial number is 165255 ? Do the other numbers tell of anything significant about this rifle?
    I am amazed and somewhat intimidated by the vast amount of information online about Enfield Riflesicon. Indeed, so much that I have not been able to locate any type of operation, disassembly or re-assembly information yet. I would also be interested in a supplier of parts, if such are available. Could anyone get me started with links for a basic manual and parts?
    Thanks in advance to anyone who can get me started in learning about my first Enfield!
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    Allred, I'm afraid the marking on the butt is the rifle's death sentence. ZF means it has been found to have a problem with the receiver that is not repairable and has been passed up the line, gauged and marked as such by a senior inspector. 5/67 may even be the date of it being sentenced for scrap.

    Here's a link to a previous thread on the topic of DP or Drill Purpose rifles. It mentions many rifles were selected for downgrading to DP and not being allowed to fire live ammunition- as I understand, this is what the ZF (scrapped) rifles were kept for.

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    PS... Like many, you may have posted the same question on other forums- nothing wrong with getting a few opinions, especially when you are new to a topic. But on the topic of a rifle marked ZF, PLEASE check back here to have confirmed anything you might get told elsewhere.... I'm trying to be diplomatic here- it hurts.
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    And another thread on ZF rifles... marking on Enfields?

    I suggest getting your money back on this rifle.

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    Thankyou Baal, I just spent ages looking for that one and couldn't find it..

    Allred, check out the link from Baal first, take note of the respondents. I have a ZF No4 too, (as you will see). Mine will never be fired...

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    You need to get your money back if they sold it to you as a shooter, ZF means condemmed in non gun language. Remind them that if they sold it to you as a shooter, and you shoot it and get hurt, they will go to jail, after you sue them, if you're alive.
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    GOOD advice here allred. I know a bit about this mark from the Army point of view and it's right. It's the death sentence and the 5/67 is the date.

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    I'm just glad Allred checked here first before putting a round down the chamber.

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    Oh, unwelcome news to be sure! But news and caution I am grateful to be aware of. I will indeed endeavor to return this rifle to the seller for a full refund.

    However , I do wonder, if a an unrepairable problem existed with the receiver, why wouldn't a mark be stamped there in addition to the painted mark on the butt stock?

    The butt stock on this rifle is noticably darker in finish compared to the fore-stock and hand guard. Perhaps the butt stock and it's ZF mark came from another rifle? Wishful thinking I suppose. Still it seems a receiver marking would be more definitive. Any further thoughts?

    In any case thank you all very much for the feedback and cautions. This rifle will be a non-shooter and or return, unless some other verifiable condition can be reliably determined.

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    Allred, I'm afraid the marking on the butt is the rifle's death sentence. ZF means it has been found to have a problem with the receiver that is not repairable and has been passed up the line, gauged and marked as such by a senior inspector. 5/67 may even be the date of it being sentenced for scrap.

    Here's a link to a previous thread on the topic of DP or Drill Purpose rifles. It mentions many rifles were selected for downgrading to DP and not being allowed to fire live ammunition- as I understand, this is what the ZF (scrapped) rifles were kept for.

    DP rifles


    PS... Like many, you may have posted the same question on other forums- nothing wrong with getting a few opinions, especially when you are new to a topic. But on the topic of a rifle marked ZF, PLEASE check back here to have confirmed anything you might get told elsewhere.... I'm trying to be diplomatic here- it hurts.

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    Anything is possible as far as swapping butts, but the fact that this rifle has the 300/600 flip sight is a clue to me. Your rifle had the ladder sight, and never were issued (AFAIK) with that flip site. I believe I read somewhere that the usable parts were taken from ZF rifles (Mr. Laidlericon????) when so condemned.
    I need a ZF for my collection....(hint, hint).
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    In such circumstances, I would not take any chances and would never assume that the buttstock had been changed at some point - I need my eyes and my hands, and I do not need to leave behind a widow and orphans.

    By the way, who is IAC (importer)?

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