Unidentified scope-military?

[Patrick Chadwick]

Dear Experts,

I hope this is not considered too far off topic, but I thought that, as there is some considerable scope know-how on this forum, here would be a good place to start.

A friend asked me if I had any idea as to the origin of an old rifle scope. There is no maker's name, type designation etc. The only marking is the number, on the right side of the scope (when you look at the pictures, the scope is LEFT-handed, i.e. the horizontal adjustment is on the left. The word number is abbreviated to No in the English fashion, with a tiny stroke under the o, and not Nr for Nummer (as would be expected for a German scope), so I am assuming that it comes from the English-speaking world.

It has several features that make me think it might be of military origin:

1) It seems very heavy for its size: 632 gm / 1lb 6.2oz
2) There is a recoil ring formed in front of the adjustment block.
3) The covers opposite the screw adjustment drums have been staked.
4) The horizontal adjustment drum is calibrated -10...0...+10 (minutes?).
5) The front ring is adjustable for the basic horizontal position.
6) The vertical adjustment is NOT in constant angular increments, but the drum is calibrated 0..1.. (no 2)..3..4 up to 14. And the spacing increases as the numbers increase. I.e. a RANGE calibration. Maybe in hundreds of yards?
7) Low magnification -about 3?
8) Normal hunting-style reticle (interrupted horizontal bar, pointed vertical bar.

As my last attempt to attach pictures resulted in losing the entire post, I am posting this without pictures, to make sure that you at least get the text, and will then try again with pictures.

Patrick

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[Patrick Chadwick]

Pictures are a no-go at the moment. I followed the instructions as per Badger, uploaded pics, no error message, but no pics visible in the preview.

Patrick

[Patrick Chadwick]

P.S: the cope has an unusual tube diameter - 1.080 inches.
The rings match the tube perfectly.

Patrick

[Badger]

Hi Patrick ...

Email me the pics to badger@milsurps.com and I'll post them in the thread for you.

Regards
Badger
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[Dan Mcinenly]

Looks like a Russian PE scope the predessor of the later PU scope. The PE was Zeiss designed and made in Russia in a plant that the Germans set up before they back stabbed Stalin.

[RJW NZ]

go to ebay, look under soviet scope, theres plenty of pics and a bit of a write up, the originals were 1930's made, I think your's is this age, and there's also modern remakes around plus a post ww2 version with the turrets in the middle rather than forward.

[jmoore]

The sheet metal clicker bit seems odd. Standard Russian scopes were non-click, basically friction held adjustments. This type is Russian mfg. rather than the earlier German mfg. for the USSR. No idea to what the rings mount.

[Patrick Chadwick]

Thanks to all of you. It is amazing what know-how is around this forum. Russia would never have crossed my mind (because of the No. abbreviation, which fooled me into thinking "English").

The clicker made from folded sheet metal may well be an add-on. It just about clicks in the milled grooves on the turrets, and in a couple of places a previous used has filed out the grooves a bit deeper for his favorite settings.

B.T.W. Is there a good book avaliable on "scopology"?

Patrick

[jmoore]

Fairly good books on scopes and metallic sights (mostly commercial) is out. Let me Google right quick...

ETA here's a quick link:

Amazon.com: Old Rifle Scopes (9780873418300): Nick Stroebel: Books

Not much time to spare, actually got a part running right now!


Isn't there a date somewhere on the turret?(I think that's where it should be at any rate.)

ETA some more: Generally, these scopes would be used in the "Y" mount 91/30 rifles, but might also be in the "overbore" or chamber mount. For some reason they're almost never found w/ the bracket still attached.

ETA one more time: iron sight book link:

Amazon.com: Old Gunsights: A Collectors Guide, 1850-1965 (9780873415590): Nick Stroebel: Books

[Mk VII]

The lateral scale will probably be in mils.