The next British sniper rifle?

[KIMBO65]

What rifle do members think should be the next UK sniper rifle???. do you think we should build our own or buy one off the shelf?

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[Badger]

Typed into search field .. next british sniper

Came up with this old thread which might be of interest ..

Essay on British army new sniper rifle ....

Regards,
Doug

[CINDERS]

Type in Tracking Point rifle scopes on google this takes all the guess work out of it your observer gets an I-pad to see what you see through the scope so far the have gone from 300-1013 yards with 1st round hits every time (so they say) uses the same technology as fighter air craft weapons system takes into account spin drift, air temp, barometric pressures you tag the target pull the trigger and when your blue dot lines up with the red target tag it goes red as well and the rifle automatically fires and takes out the target.
It is a complete package you cannot just buy the scope, price was in the range of I think $27,000.oo/U.S

Go on to utube and watch this burst TrackingPoint 2013 -- Extreme Distance Hunting, Smart Rifle - Tracking Moving Targets and Extreme Accuracy

[WarPig1976]

Remington just came out with a similar system, there was a article in last months Americian Riflemen. Iirc it's about 5k and doesn't do everything the Tracking point system does but still neat. I had the chance to see and hold the Tracking point at the last fun show. IMHO it's a none starter for military service. For one thing battery life is a joke, it's fragile, and no military is going to take the riflemen out of the equation. It may become another tool in the tool box but no way the primary "target acquisition" platform.

It's a really cool concept but it kinda takes all the fun out of it IMO, and the price has to come way down if it's to be successful in the sporting world.

[CINDERS]

I have not heard how long the power packs last but as a tool for taking out targets at long range in a sniping guise then it may prove worthy in that respect, if you can get a 1st round hit at 1190 yards then I guess its worth as per review footage.
Our Armies will always need the foot soldier to go in and clean up after the drones and snipers have done their bit, I am not saying the snipers do not go in to protect the forward troops or take out targets of opportunity but the PBI will always get the dirtiest of the jobs.

And like was what was said in an earlier post if your in a tank everyone knows where you are !

[WarPig1976]

From the article,, "The unit runs on two rechargeable, proprietary batteries. It uses one at a time so they can be hot swapped. Expected life is about 1.5 hours for each battery. Of course, that is subject to ambient temperature, Wi-Fi use and other factors."
This is for Remington's 2020 Adopter system not Tracking point. This system is good out to 750, both are limited to only a few very specific loads.

[Gil Boyd]

Oh how I wish I was in the Gunsmithing business.
Select the best round for the job, and build a rifle around that regardless of the NATO ammo status. Listen to all concerned who now, after two major campaigns have the "Knowledge" of action using such rifles, and explain any deficiencies their respective weapons had in theatre ie Dust/Debris/Range-Accuracy/Effectiveness.

Most important, to poll all those that would have had been trained and would be using this new weapon, as well as those Technicians who had to support it.
Off my soap box now

[CINDERS]

The boffins can design things that do stuff well but it is the poor bloke up the front sharp end that finds out the hard way what works and what doesn't, I guess when you look at metal storm placed as a sentry gun that's scary and if say you harnessed NV to tracking point then guess its up to the range of the NV. We in the real world are only seeing an nnnnth of what they have developed so far I mean they have been working on a predator type suit for ages to make the troops invisible to the naked eye.
If I had a weapons system that could out reach the enemies by 500+ yards I would be pretty happy and hit 9-10 times at 1000M then that is a bonus to shoot and scooting.
War fare has changed so much since WWII faster and deadlier I mean you can pilot a drone 1000 of miles away in a nice cosy room and reign nasty stuff on people.....

[Peter Laidler]

Alas, the next GSR, the General Staff Requirement has probably already been set down. Indeed, it was being discussed at Infantry level early in 2012. And not even the ammo was finalised. But there was a lot of talk about 7mm or so.

One other thing you ought to consider is that up to what range do you think one man ought to shoot at another? There's a school of thought that 1000 is the absolute max because above that, if you need to take anyone on, then you just call in the mortars. That's what they are there for after all. And 2 mortar rounds are all it takes and cheap too!

We used to hear calls from the armchair press (usually the shooting press too.....) that .50 was the way to this that and the other, for hovering helicopters and gun crews and.......... you know the sort of pure guff they spout. That is, until you ask them where these items feature in the current climate. They don't. That's a job for the mortars (or the SF crews on a good day/night)

The last time we were taking on an enemy at long ranges was in Aden/Radfan and we're learning to do it again. It's no secret that 60's Aden/Radfan era commanders were recently involved in a series of meetings with todays commanders at the Infantry Headquarters to update doctrine to take all this into account. It's also no secret that we are in discussion with ........... anyway...........

New sniper rifle........ Don't hold your breath chaps!

[Brit plumber]

It wont be to long before some one builds a wireless guided bullet that can be guided onto its target by remote, they've done it with artillery, fire it one way and it ends up going the other. Very scary this technology stuff.