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No.5 Faz with BSA-Shirley (M47C) Flash Eliminator Group?
Could an M47C marked flash eliminator group be original to a 1945 Faz No.5, or after the fact? Thanks in advance, and a salute to all you Veterans on this special day. Cheers and Semper Fi, Don
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11-11-2010 09:45 PM
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Not an expert. However unless it's an "FTR" I wouldn't see how.
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I'd say damaged flash eliminator in service, sent to a big workshops. Old one pressed off and a new one tinned, heated, pressed on and pinned. Range tested all in a day or so and sent out. We didn't care who made the part, nor did the crunchie who was using it!
You could look at the barrel markings too. If that was a BSA, then it's been re-barrelled
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I think Faz did use some BSA components on new production - perhaps when BSA wound up. I've had several brand-new condition Faz No5s with BSA flash hiders.
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My 1945 Fazakerly is matching except the flash hider & the Butt which are BSA, I presumed they had just been replaced in service. This one is Ex SPF
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Personally, I'm not too happy about the notion of BSA production/parts being shipped out to other Ministry of Supply factories because BSA were a private company simply working for themselves as a company undertaking contract work - in this case, for the Ministry of supply. If anything was supplied to another company, then it would be contracted and paid for.
Obviously we had all sorts of spares parts in our stock holdings but as I learned from the Sterling Company. The Ministry wouldn't buy anything from ANYONE if they had their own suppliers. After all, they wanted to keep their own staff employed. The same applied to BSA (when they reluctantly agreed to contract with them to manufacture the L1A1) and Webley. But, that's business I suppose........., whether it's private or Government business!
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I don't have these particular rifles any longer, but 2 and 4 were 1947 Fazakerleys in brand-new condition, and both had M47C-marked flash hiders. It seems to be that the BSA parts do occur on the late Faz rifles.
Number 5 was a 1946 Fazakerely with all-Faz marks. Number 3 is a BSA - as you can tell by the colour!
(Interestingly, number 1 and 2 were only a couple of hundred numbers apart, but number 1 had seen a bit of service. Interesting how the rifle had physically changed colour, even though it had not been restocked)
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Thank you for brilliant replies! Cheers, Don
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Observed a No. 5 (Fazakerly) that had a BSA No.5 rear sight on it.
Thought it was mis-matched?
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Just checked. My 1945 Fazackerley No5 in excellent condition apparently all original has a BSA (M47C) marked flash hider too.
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