What is with my freaking safety???????

[ABPOS]

I posted this in another thread and someone gave me an idea or two, but I'm not sure what to do here.

I put a new flip safety in there and it did the same thing. It moves freely sometimes but then sometimes, you start to engage it, and it only moves a little bit and gets stuck. So then I tore my whole trigger group down, and there was some gunk in the trigger spring, sear, etc etc, and even a little right above where the safety goes, but I don't think any of that has anything to do with why it's failing to move free to engage.

If you ask me, either the right angle of the steps on the flip safety, where the spring plunger contacts is too sharp, or the spring plunger has a burr or something. But why would it happen with both safeties? Unless it was the plunger. But then again, I pulled that thing out and cleaned it and put it back in. And I have no clue if I reversed it or not. I guess it's only a 50% chance that it went in the opposite way. Either that or both plungers are messed up.

Anyone else have this problem? Do I need to sand that right angle a little to smooth it out. That part on the safety?

I do have a new safety spring with the two plungers on either end coming from Orion7. I only ordered 2 op slide springs and in order to make the $20 minimum, I had to get something else. I think I got that and the mag catch spring and plunger. Figured it wouldn't hurt to replace.

It does seem like both safeties have a tenancy to go right and left a little. Maybe moreso than my other carbine. Would this affect it? When I worked it back and forth looking through the top with the trigger out, it doesn't seem like that should make much of a difference. Hmmmm......

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[imarangemaster]

Have you removed the safety spring and plunger, and cleaned and lubed it, and the channel it runs in. Sounds like the plunger is gunked up.

[ABPOS]

No, it's not gunked up. I cleaned it all out.

[lbelflowers]

I believe there are 2 types of the plunger assembly. The second type was longer(not by much), making more positive engagement with either the push or flip safety.

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

I believe there are 2 types of the plunger assembly. The second type was longer(not by much), making more positive engagement with either the push or flip safety.

Type 1 was .90 inch, type 2 was 1.0 inch

[ABPOS]

Well, I might have the second one, but it just gets stuck as you start to engage it. My other carbine does not have this problem. It seems like the safety moves a little less left and right also. But I still think it's where the plunger is contacting the safety. Like it's too rigid on that 90 degree angle. I'll have to look at it closer and see. I'm not sure what else it would be. It doesn't look like the trigger safety leg is getting in the way. Or hanging it up. I don't see how it could. I suppose it could.

The upside is it made me tear it all down and put it back together. I was getting a little frustrated with the sear, but finally got it to line up and got the pin in. That was not easy. I also ordered a new hammer spring and I'm debating on if I should leave the original one in or put the new one in. I put a new trigger spring in because I had one. It's definitely stiffer than the one that was in there. It probably needed it. Although I think the other one worked fine. The one I put in seemed a hair more robust though. I kept the old one.

So nobody else has had a flip safety stick before? I'm not sure why I'm getting all the weird stuff happening on mine.

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

ABPOS,

Nobody likes jamming their fingers in the housing. Try this.

1. Make a pin the width of the trigger, out of welding rod, nail, whatever
2. Put the sear, spring, and trigger together outside of the housing
3. Drop in place
4. Push the shorter pin out with the longer one.

No sore fingers.

[ABPOS]

I tried to do it that way with a toothpick at first, but the toothpick wasn't very co-operative in sliding out when I was pushing the pin in. Plus it didn't really line it up all that well. It got it close. I guess my finger was small enough to jam in there and get it done.

But this would be an awesome tool to have. Thank you! Is it me, or are your parts really dark for some reason???

[lbelflowers]

Not trying to push you toward a flip safety but, have you tried other flips? How about a push safety? Do you have another trigger housing to check with?

[Bubba-7]

If you have two carbines and one works and one does not, swap parts until the problem is found.