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BDL has the user and technical handbook for the Warner and Swasey telescopes.
From a quick browse through our librabry copy, all I can say is that the W&S scope would have stood two chances in the field..... slim and none!
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09-14-2009 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by
jmoore
Simon,
The inevitable question, Does the No32 adaptor/base/pads bear any remarkable resemblance to the W&S and the Patt.18 as well? Might you be coerced into posting those drawings? I haven't been so giddy about info in a long time. Thank you again!
Whoops, forgot to log out. The above is WBS2111. I'm using his computer whilst loitering about the gunstore trying to stay awake (midnight shift guy).
Here's a section of the P14/No32 scope bracket drawing. I've taken the liberty of sanitising it of all dimensional information otherwise before you know it there'll be a glut of "original" P14/No32 combo's appearing for sale.
Cheers,
Simon.
P.S. I've got other information / drawings in the archives relating to trials installation of the 42 and 53 scopes on both the P14 and No4.
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Simon,
Fantastic! Thank you very much! Would love to see any you are willing to share. Quite elegant looking compared to standard No4(t) bracket. Makes you wonder if any were ever purchased on the open market just to have the No32 stripped off to doctor up a 4T. I now have a new "Holy Grail." Simon, Thank you again for sharing.
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Here's the P14 with a bracket designed to take the No42 or 53 scope. Interesting that even at the beginning of WWII the powers that be where still considering an offset scope.
Cheers,
Simon.
Last edited by Simon; 09-15-2009 at 05:06 PM.
Reason: I can't spell and the damned picture failed to attach
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Very similar to the Frankford Arsenal experimental's for the 1903 around the same time with the forward external adjustments. Frankford went as far as to combine the off set mounting with a prism much like the Zeiss prismatic for the 08/15 MG but had it so the ocular would swing over center line with the scope still off set. I have seen a No4 with the same type of mounting. It looked a bit cobbled but wonder now if someone took a P14 mounting and tried to retro fit it. Great stuff. Thanks again!
Cheers,
Burrell
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Last edited by Surpmil; 03-13-2012 at 11:54 AM.
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Originally Posted by
Simon
Here's a section of the P14/No32 scope bracket drawing. I've taken the liberty of sanitising it of all dimensional information otherwise before you know it there'll be a glut of "original" P14/No32 combo's appearing for sale.
Cheers,
Simon.
P.S. I've got other information / drawings in the archives relating to trials installation of the 42 and 53 scopes on both the P14 and No4.
Very interesting how they have used a larger spigot on the front pad and a steeper taper on the rear. To prevent attempts to fit the No4 bracket? Only if the center to center distance between the "thumb screws" was same on both mounts, I assume.
If the authorities wanted so much to make clip loading possible, you'd think they could have come up with a long eye relief scope for not much more effort than all this fiddling with different offset mounts trying to use unsuitable scopes. Noske for one, was making them in the States in the 1930s. No harder to make than a No32 - probably easier - judging by the one I had, which had an almost 6 inch eye relief IIRC. FOV might have been an issue though...
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I hope it works with the pictures: This is one of the Canadian scopes.
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